MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[His_Majesty]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you did no such thing.

I didn't? Oh, I must of been looking at the wrong thread.

However, I (and others here) am willing to grant you the possibility of that existence and work from there.

The vast majority of historians also grant that possibility, so you (and others here) are in good company.

There are, however, competing gospels... like the gnostic gospels... or just all the apocryphal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha.
I'm sure you've studied them all thoroughly and have your reasons to dismiss each and every one, except for the canonical ones.

Those Gospels were written much, much later.

Also, we have the dead sea scrolls... which reveal something about those times... like The Teacher of Righteousness!!
Hmmm.... a teacher, knowledgeable of the scriptures, a "counselor to the king", "dissatisfied with the religious sects in Jerusalem, and in reaction, founded a "crisis cult". While amassing a following, the Teacher (and his followers) claimed he was the fulfillment of various Biblical prophecies, with an emphasis on those found in Isaiah. The Teacher was eventually killed by the religious leadership in Jerusalem, and his followers hailed him as messianic figure who had been exalted to the presence of God's throne."

Sounds familiar?

The Dead Sea Scrolls is about Jewish stuff...the New Testament is about Christian stuff.

Possibly because they were obviously not written by any of the apostles themselves " and jesus did this miracle and all the apostles were amazed"... clearly a 3rd person account.... so a friendly 3rd person must be manufactured... a friend of the apostles, a disciple of an apostle, a meeting with one of the apostles...

First off, what do you mean "obviously"...it isn't obvious to me...second, as mentioned previously, Luke said that the story was passed down from eyewitnesses. If the story that Luke told was passed down from eyewitnesses, then it doesn't matter who wrote the story, as long as the source of the story comes from eyewitnesses.

Think about it.... Harry Potter lived in London, he visited the London Zoo, he went on the train to school from Paddington train station...
All this written by someone who obviously knew Harry and his environment.
Blimey! Wizards exist! There is a ministry of magic in the UK and in several other countries! There are evil people with magical powers!
We're doomed!!!!!

Fallacy of comparing apples and oranges.

"real"... you keep using that word...

Jesus of Nazareth was as real as any other person in antiquity.

You see... there was this teacher... he taught people... people listened... some wrote it down to remember it better.
The teachings got handed down... the name of the teacher morphed a bit.

For a moment there, I thought you were a Christian all the way up until that last part.