RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm
(December 20, 2014 at 12:42 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:it's not a conspiracy... it's a fact.(December 19, 2014 at 6:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Did you know that merriam webster is not a good unbiased dictionary?
Just look at their definition of atheist:
athe·ist: a person who believes that God does not exist
Can you spot the bias?
No?
Pretend you're a hindu.
You sound like Jesse Ventura...9/11? Conspiracy....JFK assasination...Conspiracy...Vietnam War...Conspiracy...ISIS...Conspiracy...
Now, let's look at another dictionary's definition of atheist, shall we?
atheist:
noun
1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Did you spot the difference?... there's an "or" in there that adds something more to the definition... also, no mention of just one god... much less a "God".
(December 20, 2014 at 12:42 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:It's not a matter of acceptance.(December 19, 2014 at 6:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Let's get back to those definitions for being and deity.
a being is a living thing, or something that exists.
A deity is a god, or the nature of that god.
So, you want me to accept that you have 3 different living things in the nature of the god... is that it?
3 different living things share an essence of "God". Hey, you don't have to accept it when just the mere thought of Jesus of Nazareth's existence is to much to accept...not saying you in general, but you get the picture.
I can understand the words, I can understand a cerebrus kind of god.
It's just the way you phrase it that renders the trinity definition somewhat weird. Three different things within the same god... why the extra baggage?
Just to make christianity stand apart from judaism?
I don't think it's worth it...
Perhaps you could say "manifestation", instead of "persons" or "beings"... maybe that would work better.
(December 20, 2014 at 12:42 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:How about we look back at the unbiased definition, huh?(December 19, 2014 at 6:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I think we need the definition of god, now (from the same merriam webster):
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
I'm going with 2, seeing as the first is clearly biased, and the third and fourth apply to people (odd that).
"A being".... as in "one"... not multiples...
Yeah but that is because the definition given is a general one...hell, lets look up Trinity..same dictionary..
Trinity: the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma
1. Also called Blessed Trinity, Holy Trinity. the union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Divine Being.
2. a representation of this in art.
3. Trinity Sunday.
4. (lowercase) a group of three; triad.
5. (lowercase) the state of being threefold or triple.
Number 1 looks a lot like your version... but there are 4 more versions.... 4 more applications of the word. This first one is the one implied by christianity, right?
However, for the non-believer, you must work with definitions 4, or 5.
(December 20, 2014 at 12:42 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Three persons which have the same divine attributes? I translate that to "three gods with the same job"... somehow, I get the feeling that's not what you want to convey.(December 19, 2014 at 6:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: If you define it like that, then we have a team of 3 gods, polytheism... or tri-theism.... if the word doesn't exist, I claim royalties!
It would be polytheism if they were three different gods...but they aren't three different gods, they are three different persons, each which has the SAME divine attributes.