The more you attend Church, the more likely you are so support Torture.

[Godscreated]

How does one find hope in wood or stone, gods made of wood and stone what do they offer?

GC

Believers of other faiths do not think their god(s) are made from wood and stone. The wood and stone statues are just a representation.

They started out as wood and stone, the people prayed to them and worshiped these gods of wood and stone. If the people today do not know the history of their gods then how much do they really mean to them.

GC

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No, that's the truth, sin is as a crime against a holy and righteous God, with no forgiveness there is no entrance into heaven, being hell is the only other place to spend eternity... well there it is, does that satisfy you, me leaving out the justice and giving you a reality to live with.

GC

Sin isn't a crime. Sin is just stuff a god doesn't like.

Death will reveal the truth.

GC

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Sin is just stuff a god doesn't like.

Or better yet, as the Buddhist quote states, sin is invented nonsense.

This from a man who didn't do anything and a religion with a multitude of stone and wooden gods.

GC

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Let me ask you this question, do you really believe Christ would not allow us to defend ourselves against mean people who are being plain old mean and, yet allow nonbelievers to protect themselves from the very same people?

GC

I apologize, I thought this was a rhetorical question.

If you ask if I think that you as a human being should have the right to defend yourself. Of course, I think that you should defend yourself and others.

The right of my citizenship in this country and I would if the need arises. I have Rottweilers at my home to help prevent the need for confrontation. They do work well.

Please remember, I don't believe that Jesus was god and I doubt that he even existed so asking me what I think that he requires from you is a bit like me asking you what Loki wants me to do.

I know you don't and did not expect you to answer as a believer but as one who knows about the scriptures, I was asking for an answer from the knowledge you have of what Jesus says in the scriptures. You're right I wouldn't know what Loki wants because I do not know who Loki is suppose to be. I know he's not real.

However, according to your own beliefs, Jesus turned the cheek and met death with little resistance and even forgave his killers. I think that your Jesus would not approve of his followers torturing people

You know what's strange here, you were able to answer your own thoughts about what Jesus would want, yet you couldn't do that same thing with my questions.
Jesus was the perfect man dying to give a covering for our sin.
Jesus was speaking to believers to turn their cheek when faced with abuse from others because we are believers, this is dealing with our spiritual stance. Jesus was not speaking to the unbelievers then or now, this is the reason I believe He was speaking about being harmed because of Him. There is nothing in the Bible, that I know of, that does not allow people to defend themselves from mean people. If Jesus meant that Christians could never defend ourselves or our countries we would not be very good citizens and, Jesus asked us to be responsible citizens. I have said and will continue to say torture is not good and should not be done, not just by Christians but everyone.

GC

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Well if the survey wasn't proof enough, look how many regular church goers have come here in defense of torture.

I have a question for you, can or would you torture yourself?

GC