RE: The more you attend Church, the more likely you are so support Torture.
December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm by John V.)
(December 23, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: Yes, the concern that allowing one thing may lead to an extension of that thing is a slippery slope fallacy, though the concern over allowing the government expanded power without the necessary transparency is not.The concern that government would go beyond the allowed expansion certainly is, and that concern was raised in what I quoted.
(December 23, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You're still counting on a murderous person telling the truth;y ou haven't negated that flawed premise.You haven't shown it to be flawed.
Quote:Torture has been shown to be ineffective; the tortured will say what they think their captor wants to hear in order to make the torture stop.In this case, I want to hear the actual location of the child, so it should be quite effective.
Quote:I hold that torture is both immoral and ineffective. The first is an opinion;True.
Quote:the latter, fact.Feel free to prove it. As noted, I support capital punishment on theory but oppose it in practice. I can do the same with torture.
Quote:If a carpenter intends to make a crooked cabinet, when it comes out crooked, why should he get angry at the cabinet?Maybe he intended to show his anger to other cabinets.
Romans 9
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Quote:It's a good thing people aren't cabinets, then. Simply because you've abdicated your duty to make moral assessments doesn't mean that the assessments of others are invalid.First, I make moral assessments. Second, I don't claim that others' moral assessments are invalid. You correctly note yourself that your moral assessment of torture is your opinion. I don't hold people's opinions to be valid or invalid. Everyone's entitled to them, as they say.