RE: The more you attend Church, the more likely you are so support Torture.
December 23, 2014 at 2:38 pm
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2014 at 2:43 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: You haven't shown it to be flawed.
So you think they will always tell the truth under torture, then?
(December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: In this case, I want to hear the actual location of the child, so it should be quite effective.
... so long as the truth is being told.
(December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: Feel free to prove it. As noted, I support capital punishment on theory but oppose it in practice. I can do the same with torture.
The US Army writes in its field manual on interrogation:
FM 2-22.3 Wrote:Experience indicates that the use of force is not necessary to gain the cooperation of sources for interrogation. Therefore, the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/lib...apter1.htm
This University of California-Santa Barbara study emphatically states:
Lisa Hajjar Wrote:Torture’s inefficacy in the interrogation of someone as valuable as KSM was true of the entire torture program. According to Rose (2008), who interviewed numerous counterterrorist officials from the US and elsewhere, their conclusions were unanimous: “not only have coercive methods failed to generate significant and actionable intelligence, they have also caused the squandering of resources on a massive scale…, chimerical plots, and unnecessary safety alerts….” Thus, the indirect costs of interrogational torture include misallocation of resources to follow false leads and, as falsehoods accrete, an increasing incapacity to detect the difference between accurate and inaccurate intelligence.
(p. 49)
When the interrogators themselves deprecate the capability of torture to educe information, it probably doesn't work. I'm inclined to accept their professional opinion.
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(December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: Maybe he intended to show his anger to other cabinets.
As opposed to, say, build the things straight in the first place?
(December 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: First, I make moral assessments. Second, I don't claim that others' moral assessments are invalid. You correctly note yourself that your moral assessment of torture is your opinion. I don't hold people's opinions to be valid or invalid. Everyone's entitled to them, as they say.
You obviously abdicate your faculty of moral judgement in at least one case.