RE: Discussion regarding the rise of far right parties in Europe
January 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2015 at 12:34 pm by Dystopia.)
How much are the abstention numbers? This is also relevant because too much abstention could lead to idealistic nationalists getting more votes.
Over here in Portugal there's no significant Muslim community, I think Muslims, for some reason, never got attracted to the so called "tail of Europe" - But there's a community of Africans from Mozambique and Angola, former portuguese colonies, and while the majority of the population is white, the percentage of black people, specially in populated cities like Lisbon is significant - The nationalist party, aka PNR (Partido nacional renovador - Reformist National Party) frequently blames blacks for the problems, as well as other immigrants portuguese people frequently receive like Ukranians and others from Eastern Europe or from Brazil, or gypsies. I have an Ukranian friend who's been here for like 6 years, she is a great student at university, she speaks portuguese better than a lot of rednecks you'll see wandering around and she knows our history and traditions well, even if she still loves Ukrain - in fact I'm betting that if a nationalist met her, they'd love her until she revealed she is not portuguese since it's not noticeable otherwise.
I don't think this party is Nazi, because Nazism includes the Arian race, and portuguese people generally don't match the requirements to be an Arian... I mean, we are a diverse group with origins from the Celtic to the Lusitanians, some of us are taller or smaller or whiter or darker, but we are generally what people describe as "white latino" since we are not as white as Germans, Brits or Scandinavians - So being a Nazi would mean being against your own ethnicity since we are not as white as the Arian ideal was supposed to be - Still, they discriminate against people who don't fit the ideal of portuguese white.
Another thing this parties have is that they want to change citizenship laws - There's basically 2 criteria:
- Ius sanguinis - If you are born from, let's say, French parents (example) you are French
- Ius solis - If you are born on French soil you are French
Most countries use both criteria to prevent people from lacking any nationality at all, but these parties defend that the only people with citizenship should be the ones who possess the right blood, basically the ones with roots on the country for centuries, anyone else who is an immigrant or has roots in other countries/continents, no matter how smart, or how competent, shouldn't have the right to apply for citizenship because they are not true "portuguese, french, italian..." They want to use the ius sanguinis criteria only.
Over here in Portugal there's no significant Muslim community, I think Muslims, for some reason, never got attracted to the so called "tail of Europe" - But there's a community of Africans from Mozambique and Angola, former portuguese colonies, and while the majority of the population is white, the percentage of black people, specially in populated cities like Lisbon is significant - The nationalist party, aka PNR (Partido nacional renovador - Reformist National Party) frequently blames blacks for the problems, as well as other immigrants portuguese people frequently receive like Ukranians and others from Eastern Europe or from Brazil, or gypsies. I have an Ukranian friend who's been here for like 6 years, she is a great student at university, she speaks portuguese better than a lot of rednecks you'll see wandering around and she knows our history and traditions well, even if she still loves Ukrain - in fact I'm betting that if a nationalist met her, they'd love her until she revealed she is not portuguese since it's not noticeable otherwise.
I don't think this party is Nazi, because Nazism includes the Arian race, and portuguese people generally don't match the requirements to be an Arian... I mean, we are a diverse group with origins from the Celtic to the Lusitanians, some of us are taller or smaller or whiter or darker, but we are generally what people describe as "white latino" since we are not as white as Germans, Brits or Scandinavians - So being a Nazi would mean being against your own ethnicity since we are not as white as the Arian ideal was supposed to be - Still, they discriminate against people who don't fit the ideal of portuguese white.
Another thing this parties have is that they want to change citizenship laws - There's basically 2 criteria:
- Ius sanguinis - If you are born from, let's say, French parents (example) you are French
- Ius solis - If you are born on French soil you are French
Most countries use both criteria to prevent people from lacking any nationality at all, but these parties defend that the only people with citizenship should be the ones who possess the right blood, basically the ones with roots on the country for centuries, anyone else who is an immigrant or has roots in other countries/continents, no matter how smart, or how competent, shouldn't have the right to apply for citizenship because they are not true "portuguese, french, italian..." They want to use the ius sanguinis criteria only.
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