RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
January 3, 2015 at 6:44 am
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2015 at 6:59 am by Dystopia.)
Quote:I was asking specifically for trending numbers, because that will put the issue into context. If those numbers are stable or rising, then of course one can see that there is a reason for pushing heightened awareness of the issue -- one might even be able to construct an argument supporting the use of loaded terms like "rape culture". However, between 1994 and 2010, the incidence of sexual assault against women has dropped over 50%.That's excellent, but you have to take into account that logically since 1994 (in this case in America) people's mentality and social values have changed, certain types of rape might have been more acceptable (like marital rape) and nowadays there's lots of support for victims - I'll like to say that thing about rape culture is not about how many women get raped, but about people (men and women) who are raped and see it as a normal part of life that can't be avoided - However simply going to two different countries and comparing rape incidence will tell us that social rules can cause rape - I.E. compare India with a fist world country like Iceland and guess who gets raped more often... I actually dislike the term rape culture because it is too strong, but I admit openly that some people still need a lesson on rape myths, don't you at least agree with this?
Quote:In other words, as the country has taken successful steps to address the measure, the rhetoric of some radical feminists has gotten even more shrill. Why is that?Radical feminists are not representative and it has not gotten worse, you simply hear it more due to media and technology
Quote:I'm not interested in Internet commentary on a particular case. Firstly, it's anecdotal, and virtually useless for analysis. Secondly, the sample group is self-selecting. Thirdly, both sports fans and porn fans would seemingly be men with less-egalitarian views about the place of women in society (though I admit that's only a guess, without support).I like porn and I have an egalitarian view on women, I think that case was more about prejudice against sex workers than liking porn per se.
Quote:I'm not saying that this is not an important issue. I'm saying that the radical feminists are overstating their case.
Honestly - Do you support same-sex rights (equal)? If so, then you support the LGBT community I guess - For me, supporting the LGBT community, even if they are gay/trans/lesbian centered is the same as supporting feminism, I support the LGBT because I am pro-gay/trans rights and feminists because I support women's equality - Imagine that in 20 years gays have more rights, but the LGBT has a small vocal minority of people who blame straight people for all the problems - Do you think people should stop being LGBT because of those retarded people? I'm just trying to make my point clear, and not to seem like an anti-male male since that would be profoundly stupid. I support LGBT just like I support feminists, because both of them help those people (women, gays..) and me - Fems fight against men's stereotypes too (I don't fit all manly stereotypes) and gays fight against the word gay being used against straight males like me as a form of insult. So after our conversation would it be that hard for you to simply state you'd happily support a feminist with a rational cause for equality, independtly of the label you place on yourself? Basically anti-feminism, the strongest position against it - Not just indifference but anti-something, is, to me, the same as Christians who are anti-gay and claim gay people are oppressing straights, it just doesn't make sense and it's unlikely straights or males like me will be oppressed in society due to a small faction of the population who probably hold no political or economical strength to oppress me other than a loud mouth
Quote:It's not the same. Women have their OWN unique interfaces with the things that tend to light up their own neural circuitry. Yes, all people are different, but I don't see a lot of guys watching "Lifetime" network with a box of tissues at the ready.Any evidence with this that doesn't involve social conditioning?
Quote:Let's say one guy is in the top 1% of sexually-motivated people, and is also drunk, and by circumstance ends up alone with your provocatively-dressed female. Should he rape her? No, of course not. He's wrong to do it, because we've established that rape is always to be considered wrong. And yet surely a sensible person can see that all the moral correctness in the world is not going to stop the woman from getting raped.Are you implying that males are unable to control themselves? Honestly you're smarter than that and I feel offended, I'm a male and I love sex - I mean I really do, I have huge tremendous sexual libido I want to have sex all the time and I'd never rape someone, drunk or attractive or provocative or whatever because of my urges - If you what you say really is true, why do women in Islam (Saudi Arabia or India for example) who can't drink and dress covering their bodies get raped so often and it is accepted by society?
The problem is that while, individually, we can blame a man for not resisting his urges, statistically, the male behavior shows trends that do in fact mean that "boys will be boys." And X% of these boys, in certain circumstances, will commit rape. And no world view or legal system will prevent this, because it's ingrained in the species at a genetic level.
Not to mention I've already spoke about the unknown rapist who rapes a drunk girl and mentioned most rapes actually happen with someone the victim knows, sometimes husband or boyfriend, and some rapists get consensual sex but still rape - So it's not as simple as you put it
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