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What came first, the atheist or the theist?
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
(July 30, 2010 at 7:54 pm)Spencer Wrote: My point if you were to speak to a primitive man before the introduction and ideals of god(s) and asked him if he was an atheist, he would give you a blank stare not knowing what you were talking about.
No, but then since when did being able to answer a specific question become the determining factor to someone being an atheist?

He might not have a clue what I'm talking about, but if he doesn't have any belief in God, he is an atheist by definition.

Quote:Yes. I understand. But the actual non belief of God is only as old as the belief of God. If there is a planet out there that hasn't been discovered yet, its not that we don't believe its there, its that we don't know about it yet. Once we see the argument for said planet, we then chose to believe it or not.
No, think about what you are saying for more than 2 seconds. "Non belief" is a state of "no belief" regarding a certain subject. If that subject doesn't exist in your mind yet, then you cannot have any beliefs regarding it, and so you are in a state of "no belief" regarding that subject. You don't know it of course, but that isn't the point here.

Again, there is a difference between "don't believe" and "no belief" in the way you put it. You are trying to make this about active disbelief, which is a strawman argument seeing as we have already told you this has nothing to do with it. We've covered active disbelief, and we agree with you on it. This has nothing to do with choosing belief, this has everything to do with default belief, and the default belief is that of "no belief". It isn't a chosen non-belief, but a passive non-belief (or passive disbelief).

Quote:I don't need an explanation for what this scenario meant, i just don't see how it fits into the discussion. However Scented Nectar explained that very well.
Of course it fits into the discussion. Like the babies, people who lived before the whole "God" idea came about were just as incapable of having thoughts regarding Gods. They share the same passive disbelief (or non-belief) as the babies, and they are all atheists.
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What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by Cecco - July 22, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by Tiberius - July 30, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2010 at 10:29 am
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist? - by fr0d0 - August 4, 2010 at 10:29 pm

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