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Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery
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RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery
(January 8, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The answer is, we don't. It's just not there, beyond the overtly contradicted spin of christians with presuppositions, but their arguments fall flat because of the clear false dichotomy in place. It's even in the article Lek linked to: it's either "get rid of slavery overnight," or "keep slavery." Never does the idea of gradually reducing slavery over time, and replacing it with more reasonable infrastructure, ever occur to them, probably because such a thing, while being the most rational course of action if god thinks of slavery as they describe, does not show up in the bible at all. And it's important to uphold the primacy of the bible, even in the face of obvious, smarter tactics to use, which god would obviously have known about.
I'm not even aware of any reason that cultural norms would have stood in the way. What particular fate would have befallen god's chosen people if they decided not to keep slaves and set everyone free? Would they starve? Their god made it rain food from the sky and caused water to gush from a stone. Would their economy suffer? Their god fished a coin from the mouth of a fish. Would the less liberal among them resist such a command? Their god wiped out 70,000 of them because their king took a census, and killed thousands more on other occasions when they angered him.

What was it that would have happened that was so extreme that even god would have been unable to straighten it out? What was it that was beyond his ability to manage?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Lek - January 7, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Regina - January 7, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Strider - January 7, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Lek - January 7, 2015 at 11:55 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 6:11 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Strider - January 8, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 6:38 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Jackalope - January 7, 2015 at 11:54 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by psychoslice - January 7, 2015 at 11:54 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Godschild - January 8, 2015 at 3:32 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by h4ym4n - January 8, 2015 at 6:28 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Esquilax - January 8, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Strider - January 8, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Strider - January 8, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by rexbeccarox - January 8, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Strider - January 8, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by vorlon13 - January 8, 2015 at 12:09 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Esquilax - January 8, 2015 at 2:36 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Godschild - January 8, 2015 at 3:34 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 3:47 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by jesus_wept - January 8, 2015 at 4:54 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 4:57 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Spooky - January 8, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Nope - January 8, 2015 at 9:20 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Tonus - January 8, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Spooky - January 8, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by h4ym4n - January 8, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 9:52 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Mister Agenda - January 8, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Esquilax - January 8, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Tonus - January 8, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Nope - January 8, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by vorlon13 - January 8, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 6:48 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by abaris - January 8, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Why the Bible Doesn't Condemn Slavery - by Minimalist - January 8, 2015 at 7:20 pm

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