RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 11, 2015 at 2:10 pm
(This post was last modified: January 11, 2015 at 2:15 pm by Full Circle.)
(January 10, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Lek Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 4:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: Refuse to seek out your god, you mean. Why would they do that when they have been indoctrinated by the exact same logic to worship another god? And if they are in a dictatorship, they may well have no opportunity to even become aware of other religions. God gonna roast them?
It's all arbitrary of course, people have all different ideas and are just making it up based on their favourite verses.
There is only one God, but we have different concepts of who he is. If someone is seeking God, they are searching for that one God. They could have never heard the name of Jesus, but still be in touch with God. They are reliant on God for the revelation that they receive from him. Coming to God is a process and we're all in different stages of that process.
Nope, that’s not what your religion says, it is very clear:
John 14:16
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."…
There is no wiggle room. According to your scriptures no one who doesn’t know Jesus will be with God.
(January 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Lek Wrote:(January 11, 2015 at 1:07 pm)robvalue Wrote: Saved from what again? His threat of eternal torture? Sounds more like blackmail to me.
If God liked to torture us why would he sacrifice himself for us so that we could avoid punishment?
Vicarious redemption is an extension of the Middle Eastern tradition of scapegoating. A convenient way of making believe your misdeeds/sins have been taken away. This is an ancient tradition that predates Christianity and someone had the bright idea of trading in a goat for a man-god. Remember that these traditions were concocted by people who shat in their own water supply.
"Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.” ~ Ambrose Bierce
“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." - Mark Twain in Eruption
“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." - Mark Twain in Eruption
