Simple mental exercise to show the irrationality of the Christian God.

[CoolBoy]

This thread is nothing more than a very simple logic that has crossed my mind many time. Thought I would share.

The bible says God is all loving. The bible also says that 'sinners' and/or people who don't believe in Jesus as the saviour will end up in hell.

Simple exercise:

Think of the person in your life who is the most caring loving person you know. (For me it would be my Grandma who wouldn't hurt a fly). An all loving God would be more loving than the person you picked.

Ask yourself. Would the person you have picked send people to hell for eternity because they didn't believe in them (or their son) or because you broke a rule that they made.

If no, then why would an all loving God?

[frankiej]

God works in mysterious ways...duuuhh.

[Erinome]

Also, if you're most loving and wonderful grandmother goes to heaven, because she is a christian, and you go to hell, because you're not, what kind of heaven would that be for your grandmother, knowing you're suffering eternally in hell?

[znk666]

Also, if you're most loving and wonderful grandmother goes to heaven, because she is a christian, and you go to hell, because you're not, what kind of heaven would that be for your grandmother, knowing you're suffering eternally in hell?

She would be deluded to think he's there...
The same way theists are that their deity exists.

[Cosmic Ape]

Pretty easy one I always give out to Christians.

Is it moral to torture people forever? No? then that thing you worship is by definition, Not moral..

[ThomM]

Gods are imaginary

THE story CANNOT be true - it has an obvious flaw - the claim of Omniscience - that prevents the rest from being true

IF a god KNEW everything -then ONLY ONE OUTCOME could be possible in ALL instances - only what the god knew.

Obviously - YOU would be UNABLE to choose to do something the god DID NOT KNOW - so YOU are left - and the god is left - without ANY OPTIONS that could actually be chosen.

If a god cannot choose - it is NOT almighty.

However - the basis for the morality of religion is in the FREEDOM of choice claimed for the humans. IF we DO NOT HAVE freedom of choice - we have not chosen to do anything - and therefore are not responsible for OUR actions


So - either the claim of being ALmighty is false (AS that is falseall by itself as well) - OR the god is omniscient - and NOT almighty - it cannot be both.

Since there is established a direct IMPOSSIBLE contradiction - the story of the god CANNOT BE TRUEI

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The bible says God is all loving.

The bible also says that the god KILLED thosuands of innocent people in the passover - who had NO personal responsibility and were simply MURDERED.

THE great flood - if it had happened (IT did not) - would represent a murder of over a million INNOCENT CHILDREN and INFANTS and BABIES all too young to have reached the age of reason and responsibility - and drowning them is simpy the worst recorded MASS MURDER of all time.

Mass murderers claim to be loving - the question is WHAT do they love to do?

[Violet]

[KichigaiNeko]

[Doubting Thomas]

[Christian]God doesn't want to send anyone to hell. Those who have sinned in his sight must be punished, and that's the path they have chosen. And people in heaven have the memory of their loved ones in hell removed so they're not unhappy about them burning forever.[/Christian]

No, it doesn't make sense. I never claimed it would.

[believer913]

Gods are imaginary

THE story CANNOT be true - it has an obvious flaw - the claim of Omniscience - that prevents the rest from being true

IF a god KNEW everything -then ONLY ONE OUTCOME could be possible in ALL instances - only what the god knew.

Obviously - YOU would be UNABLE to choose to do something the god DID NOT KNOW - so YOU are left - and the god is left - without ANY OPTIONS that could actually be chosen.

If a god cannot choose - it is NOT almighty.

However - the basis for the morality of religion is in the FREEDOM of choice claimed for the humans. IF we DO NOT HAVE freedom of choice - we have not chosen to do anything - and therefore are not responsible for OUR actions


So - either the claim of being ALmighty is false (AS that is falseall by itself as well) - OR the god is omniscient - and NOT almighty - it cannot be both.

Since there is established a direct IMPOSSIBLE contradiction - the story of the god CANNOT BE TRUEI

Hi, sorry if there's already been debate about this and I'm late, but I didn't want to scroll through the entire thread and get caught up, so I'd just like to give my two cents on the subject

You do bring up a very good point, but this is how I see it. I do believe God is omniscient and almighty at the same time. God sees all possible scenarios and possibilities, and knows the outcome to each and every situation. Before the universe was even created, God knew what would happen, and God chose what would happen. Time is a manmade measurement that God does not abide by, and He is existing in all times, so all of eternity is in his hand. So He is not experiencing things as they happen, everything has already happened, and He determined when and how it would happen.

I hope that made sense! Feel free to reply and let me know what you think, what you disagree with, etc. I really would like to have an intelligent conversaion about this!