(January 12, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Alice Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 3:11 pm)robvalue Wrote: Each person who puts forward the idea that "faith" is a good idea is propping up the religious institutions around the world. Religion is holding back proper teaching of science, interfering with public policies, causing divisiveness, wars, terrorism, children traumatised by indoctrination, spread of aids...
However small your part is in religion, you validate the whole deal by your vote of confidence in faith. Religion causes a lot of harm, and to deny that is to deny reality.
Faith is a very very good idea, and is quite necessary for us to function... we arrogantly believe the world is mostly stable, follows sets of rules, and sometimes: that we're not crazy...
But we have to do that, or else we'll all die in doubt.
Personal faith in gods/the universe/the dream, on the other hand... is not as good of an idea. Maybe it helps a person here or there; maybe it hurts a person there or thither. But... it ends up being very much neutral.
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Religion, which is the establishment of a doctrine which is to be fed to a mass of people such to grow the power of the 'clergy' in some self-righteous sanctimony... is a very very very bad idea.
No, faith is never good and not even science does that. Faith is when you don't take into account things change. Knowledge is when you test to insure you are making the best observations.
I put it this way. Yes the future is not written or a given. But our observations can give us reasonable expectations. That is as close to the word "faith" as I get without using the word "faith".
"Faith" is a meaningless word used to make excuses to be complacent.
I have no "faith" for example that my vehicle will start in the morning when I use it. But, based on it's current condition and that it is full of gas, I have a reasonable expectation knowing it's current condition, odds are high that it will start. If it does not start, then I have to adjust to the change in the observation. "Faith" would be ignoring what is in front of me.