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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
Do you think it's a fair assessment that jesus was not originally planned to be God himself, but that this was a later addition to the story? In the "prophecies" (even the ones that aren't actually prophecies) it never talks about the messiah actually being God, does it?

Was he considered God only when the Virgin birth was later added to the story? Keeping up with the timelines of the story developing is complicated.

Anyone who thinks is a straightforward true account of true events, even disregarding the supernatural stuff, needs to do some serious and objective research. If they're interested in the truth of the matter of course. It's quite clear not everyone is. I'm looking for replies please only from people who have objectively studied the texts, I'm not looking for personal interpretations or wild assertions.
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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 2, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Paraselene - January 3, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 4, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 8:47 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Whateverist - January 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 3, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Natachan - January 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 4, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 4, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Minimalist - January 4, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 4, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 5, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 1:06 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Minimalist - January 5, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by LastPoet - January 5, 2015 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Whateverist - January 5, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 5, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 5, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2015 at 12:32 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 5:16 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Whateverist - January 6, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by FatAndFaithless - January 5, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 5, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 5, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 12:18 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 12:24 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 6, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 6, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 7, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by KevinM1 - January 6, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 1:19 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by KevinM1 - January 6, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 6, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 6, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 26, 2015 at 9:38 pm

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