(January 15, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Rayaan Wrote:"All those references" were 3 and all posthumous... there's a nice hint for you.(January 15, 2015 at 7:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: And then you get to Abd al-Malik, the official founder of Islam, right?
So all those references of an army general named Muhammad and start from the year 634 CE is actually Abd al-Malik, even though he was born in 646 CE?
If he was as leader as islam likes to claim, then some contemporary, as in while he was alive, writings about him would be likely...
I mean, we're talking about a guy who's the leader of all arabia... and expanding!... how could he accomplish that without writing orders and dealing with local tribal leaders and other stuff.... you know, like what the romans were doing 600 years earlier!!
How the hell did one man establish himself as the leader of all those tribes?
Easy answer: al-Malik.
(January 15, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Why don't you please enlighten me on this guy a little more, if you know anything else.I know nothing... your sources give me very little, too...
(January 15, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Rayaan Wrote:(January 15, 2015 at 7:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So, apart from Sebeos, who's giving us a second hand account (at best) of a leader implementing rules and regulations, you have a military leader.
So... yeah... it is possible there was a military leader behind, at least, some of the arab conquests.... and it is possible such a person's name was Muhamad, or Mehmet, or something similar...
It is also likely that such conquests were done, not by a single army, but by several... well, several battalions, as we'd call them nowadays, huh?
This would give us several military leaders... if you get my drift?...
And exactly how did you go from "a military leader" to "several military leaders"? And where is the historical evidence for those several military leaders who lived around 634 CE, like the ones we have for Muhammad?
"It is just very likely" is not a decisive answer, by the way.
How big is the muslim reach by 635CE?
How big was it when he allegedly started?
How long did it take?
Just for comparison, the Portuguese expansion in the 12th century went from what is now Coimbra to Lisbon in 20 years (1128 - 1147). 20 years for some 150 linear km. Compare that to the Arabian Peninsula!
Oh, and by 1140, the first king actually signs "Ego Alfonsus portugalensium Rex". Just 400 years after your Mo, in the ass end of the world called Portugal, you have a person with proper records of his claim as leader of the country. Contemporary records, written by the king himself.
Do tell me how fiction compares with reality...