RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 16, 2015 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2015 at 7:35 pm by Lek.)
(January 16, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That's not exactly an exhaustive representation of all of the potential choices just within existing and popular christian sects christologies (laying aside the defunct and the fringe) and you've already excluded, just as a few notable examples; Episcopalians, Unitarians, LDS, Witnesses, Swedenborgians(there's actually one of those here for you to hammer out your christological differences with), and some subsets of both Pentecostals and Quakers. None of these groups are, according to you, True Christians.
Except for the episcopalians, who officially espouse the doctrine of the Trinity as far as I can tell, I definitely feel that these denominations embrace an incorrect understanding of the nature of Christ. But you are right that I should not make my own determination that they are not christians. I was making a judgement that I was not qualified to make. Although I must follow what I receive from revelation from God and the scriptures, I don't know the hearts of others or their relationship with God. That doesn't mean that everyone who calls themselves christians are actually christians, but that I'm not qualified to make that judgement. Thanks for bringing that to light Rhythm. Sorry if I offended anybody here. I will add that, even though I disagree, I still care about them as much as those with whom I share common doctrinal beliefs.
(January 16, 2015 at 4:05 pm)goodwithoutgod Wrote: It is not possible to find in any legitimate religious or historical writings compiled between the beginning of the first century and well into the fourth century any reference to Jesus Christ and the spectacular events that the Church says accompanied his life.
You tickle me with these type of statements as if they are undeniable truths. There's tons of writings such as the many gospels and the writings of the church fathers. Oh. I'm sorry according to you and your experts, they are all illegitimate. My historians and scholars don't agree with your historians and scholars, such as the teams that have written commentary for various study bibles. Why would the Romans pay attention to a poor travelling preacher from Nazareth? The were many so-called healers and miracle workers in the region at the time of Christ. Will modern historians mention Benny Hinn? He's claiming miraculous healings all the time. Is anybody paying attention to him? As far as testimony about Jesus goes, other than the multitude of writings, what about oral tradition? Since most people didn't read at that time, it seems logical that the apostles would be concerned with getting the word out orally. That's the way Jesus taught.