Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: January 11, 2025, 3:11 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Theists, What Would It Take For You To Lose Your Faith?
#19
RE: Theists, What Would It Take For You To Lose Your Faith?
(January 22, 2015 at 6:48 pm)professor Wrote: Jenny, after posting the above, my next thought was on how to answer your question. I figured it was coming.

My first idea was to consider a very intricate puzzle, one of those thousand piece jobs.
But then, I realized that the puzzle did not come first.

First was stepping out on the limb in a metaphorical sense.

I did not want to throw my entirety into following God, it means abdicating the throne of SELF, humbly placing myself at God's mercy.
The last thing I wanted to do was to become a real Christian.
But I wanted to know- what am I doing here and where will I be in a hundred years.

I began to read the bible, at the same time books on astral projection, ghosts and other occult things.
I thought of many of the things you guys do- the problem of evil, what if there is a hell.

One night I came home and laying in bed, I decided to cut the branch I was sitting on (metaphor-remember).
The words of Jesus- "He that is not with me is against me.." were playing loudly in me for a while.
I am not actively WITH Jesus. Not good.
I decided to see what happens by putting the saw to the branch between me and the tree.
I prayed an Act of contrition (a good prayer of repentance- which I meant!).
I prayed the "Our Father" and afterward, I said- "Do not let me ever leave you".
This was about one or two O clock AM. After that, I instantly woke from sleep and found it was morning.
I was in kind of a delightful shock, knowing I did not fall, knowing-
having a knowing inside that God was real.
I was amazed to say the least.
This was in 1972.
Now- the puzzle.
When you find pieces that fit, you join them, actually this puzzle is far bigger than the big ones ( I hate picture puzzles- by the way). But as time, study and life events pass, the puzzle becomes more and more clear.
There are areas still to be filled in, but the picture is there.
You know what they say about pictures.
Professor,

I admire your openness. I'm sure you know that I'm still likely to consider your answer crazy and I do. I know people who view the world in the self fulfilling puzzle sort-of way and come to all kinds of conclusions: the world would be solved by wealth redistribution, capitalism is the answer, the universe is love, god is love, Jesus is god,
Allah is god, it's all about race, and so on and so on. I don't think the truth can be found that way.

Much less do I think the truth can be found by a leap of faith and discovering that having made it you haven't fallen apart over night.

I don't find leaps of faith scary so much as pointless, unless you at least know the thing you are having a leap of faith about exists before you leap. I take love from various people on faith. Beginning to do that was a leap. But the people obviously exist and the returns obviously exist. Neither appears to be the case with god, so I remain puzzled.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Theists, What Would It Take For You To Lose Your Faith? - by Jenny A - January 22, 2015 at 8:09 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Theists, provide your arguments for God. Disagreeable 41 2849 August 9, 2024 at 12:22 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  At what point does faith become insanity? Fake Messiah 64 5991 May 8, 2023 at 10:37 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  Theists: What is your stance on evolution? Agnostic1 118 14357 March 27, 2022 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith zebo-the-fat 13 1793 October 31, 2021 at 3:50 am
Last Post: Paleophyte
  Wash your hands or do not wash your hands when you eat Ferrocyanide 48 4527 October 19, 2021 at 1:24 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me? ignoramus 75 27903 March 5, 2021 at 6:49 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Theists: how do you account for psychopaths? robvalue 288 50437 March 5, 2021 at 6:37 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Theists: What do you mean when you say that God is 'perfect'? Angrboda 103 21060 March 5, 2021 at 6:35 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  What would you do if you found out God existed Catholic_Lady 545 104351 March 5, 2021 at 3:28 am
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Baha'i faith Figbash 5 1203 April 13, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Last Post: onlinebiker



Users browsing this thread: 14 Guest(s)