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Why worship?
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RE: Why worship?
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No, one free thinking being should not have a right to do whatever s/he wants with another free thinking being, whether that person created the other or not. That's why we have laws protecting children, even from their parents. I and someone else can create Humans too, but we don't get to do whatever we want with them.
Humans don't create humans, they reproduce them. Humans are equal to humans but not equal to God. You continue to make a false analogy. What is true for a human to human relationship is not necessarily true for a human to God relationship.
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: He gave them laws, but they didn't improve society. The divisiveness of religion has caused genocides. I don't think slaves felt their lives were improved just because Yahweh told slave masters not to beat them so much that they died a day or two later. I don't think girls felt their lives were improved when all their friends or families were killed, and they were kidnapped by the men with their family's blood on their hands. What were these laws that were meant to help society so much?

I'm not talking about theocratic law, but rather the moral law. Society would be better if the moral law was followed, and a society following God's moral law would not face the punishment that the Amorites did.
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You want me to change the statement to ask Yahweh real nice to forgive me for something I have no control over? You want to argue semantics, or address the point?
I didn't say that.
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yes, I ask forgiveness from people I have wronged. Not from someone whose feelings are hurt because I wronged a third party. Your god is no better than any Human. He has done atrocities that would make the worst dictator blush.
God is not a third party. Your sin is against Him. And as it follows, if you recognize wrongdoing against a person requires asking forgiveness....
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Like I said, there is no sin debt. why should I feel the need to take responsibility for something I have no control over? I didn't start out perfect, and screw up in a way to lose it. I didn't have the ability to gain it on my own, yet failed to do it. I don't need to ask forgiveness for not reaching a bar that's impossible to reach.
Certainly you don't live your life in a way that denies personal responsibility, and yet it is your defense to God?
(January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If you see someone do something, and have the power to stop it, yet allow it, that makes you partially responsible for it. There are horrible things that happen to people that are beyond their control, and erasing it would not effect their free will. Yet he doesn't. He either is not as powerful as people have claimed, or he doesn't care.
And we're back to the problem of evil and God's moral responsibility.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 7, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why worship? - by Minimalist - January 7, 2015 at 12:18 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 7, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 7, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why worship? - by Silver - January 7, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 7, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 7, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Why worship? - by Strider - January 7, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Invisible Sky Fairy - January 7, 2015 at 12:55 pm
RE: Why worship? - by JuliaL - January 7, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Why worship? - by KevinM1 - January 7, 2015 at 3:15 pm
RE: Why worship? - by JuliaL - January 7, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Invisible Sky Fairy - January 7, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 7, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Why worship? - by JuliaL - January 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why worship? - by IATIA - January 7, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 7, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Why worship? - by IATIA - January 7, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 7, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 7, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Strider - January 7, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Why worship? - by 404NotFound - January 8, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 8, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 8, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 8, 2015 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 9, 2015 at 7:58 am
RE: Why worship? - by dyresand - January 8, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: Why worship? - by IATIA - January 8, 2015 at 11:47 pm
RE: Why worship? - by h4ym4n - January 9, 2015 at 8:46 am
RE: Why worship? - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 3:47 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 8, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 9, 2015 at 2:24 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 9, 2015 at 3:19 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 9, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 9, 2015 at 9:02 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 9, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why worship? - by dyresand - January 9, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 12:12 pm
RE: Why worship? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 6:33 am
RE: Why worship? - by JackRussell - January 27, 2015 at 7:05 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 9, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: Why worship? - by h4ym4n - January 9, 2015 at 9:09 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 9, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 9, 2015 at 1:56 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Spooky - January 9, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 12, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Why worship? - by MysticKnight - January 9, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Why worship? - by KevinM1 - January 9, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Why worship? - by ComradeMeow - January 9, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Ravenshire - January 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Why worship? - by FatAndFaithless - January 9, 2015 at 3:15 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Grasshopper - January 11, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 11, 2015 at 4:54 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Why worship? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Why worship? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 11, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Why worship? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Why worship? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Why worship? - by watchamadoodle - January 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Minimalist - January 11, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 11, 2015 at 10:26 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Drich - January 12, 2015 at 1:27 am
RE: Why worship? - by Minimalist - January 12, 2015 at 2:33 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 12, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 12, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 13, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 14, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Buckaroo Banzai - January 14, 2015 at 4:38 am
RE: Why worship? - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 14, 2015 at 4:43 am
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 14, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Godschild - January 26, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Why worship? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Why worship? - by Brakeman - January 27, 2015 at 8:33 am
RE: Why worship? - by orangebox21 - January 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why worship? - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 26, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Dystopia - January 26, 2015 at 4:46 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Chad32 - January 26, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why worship? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 1:29 am
RE: Why worship? - by robvalue - January 27, 2015 at 3:31 am
RE: Why worship? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 7:11 am

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