RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?
January 27, 2015 at 3:24 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 27, 2015 at 12:17 am)Godschild Wrote: Since free will on this site is exclusively discussed with religion in mind I'll address it that way.You clearly haven;t read many of the conversations we have regarding free will. It's -rarely- discussed with religion in mind. Religion is a useless addition to the discussion.
Quote: Just because a moral system dictates the way one should act doesn't mean one has to responded to it. If one is commanded to be a suicide bomber, commanding one first of all says the one has a choice, the choice can be accepted or rejected.Can it, I think you've assumed something that is precisely the point of contention.
Quote: God commands through the scriptures one should not practice homosexual acts, that doesn't mean there are no homosexuals, to the contrary, a commandment wouldn't be necessary if there were none. One has the right to accept this command or reject it.Does one?
Quote:The law of this country and the law in scriptures say do not murder, one has the choice to or not murder,Oh?
Quote: people are not destined to be murders, if they were why would there be a command not to murder.Because the people who wrote your fairy tale didn't understand much about the dirt under their feet, let alone the human mind?
Quote: If we knew people were predestined to murder or not there would be no need for the command. Commandments and law says free will exists.Wow........that was fucking idiotic.
I could command you not to engage the warpdrive on your Honda......but that doesn't mean that your Honda actually has a warp drive.
(January 27, 2015 at 12:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: He sees all things and that by no stretch of the imagination means predestination.Actually...that's exactly what it means...unless, of course...god can be wrong, that some of the things god can see aren't actually real or will never happen. What do you think?
Quote: I can see if certain people stay on the path they are according to the scriptures they will go to hell,Are you god? Can you see all things? Or, are you just guessing.....
Quote: does that mean I have predestined them to go to hell.Nope...but do you want me to compare you to god...and draw similarities between you...because I can do that all day long. You clearly are "god", or, at least you clearly are the god that you describe.
Quote: if that's my desire then how much more is it God's desire,Yeah.........my point exactly.
Quote:because He loves everyone.Because "god" is a proxy for your thoughts and desires, but also, all of the things you might feel a hint of shame for if you owned up to as being all your own.
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