RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?
January 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2015 at 10:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 27, 2015 at 10:13 pm)IATIA Wrote: If this is a deterministic universe, then "I" am nothing more than a coagulation of subatomic energies.Nothing to do with a deterministic universe, but sure...you could say that.
Quote: "I" do not own my heart.Nothing to do with a deterministic universe, but you seem to.
Quote: "I" do not own my mind.Nothing to do with a deterministic universe, but you seem to
Quote: "I" do not have any control.Is control required to assign ownership, I wasn't aware.....and besides, you do actually have control over your heart, it's just not a control that you get to fiddle with, particularly not with any "free will" eh?
Quote:For all intents and purposes, "I" do not exist.You may not, at least not in the way that you think...but that's not really going to change that your heart is your own, and not mine - that you control your heart...and I do not control your heart, and that none of that really has much to do with a deterministic universe as-stated.
Quote:If "I" have any control or ownership, then "I" do existGranted, welcome back to reality.
Quote: and the universe is not determinate.Is there anything in your bags that you would like to declare sir? lol.....cmon...that wasn't even sneaky....
Quote:This, however, presents the issue of how can the body have free will.That's pretty much the only issue, all the rest of this is irrelevant.
Quote: If the free will is truly free, then it must be able to choose 'past' the chemical and electrical reactions of the body. That would take us into 'soul' area or some awareness beyond the confines of the body.Meh, I don't make demands of something which I wish to argue as real that would argue better for it's being not real. Why would we even go to soul, in a deterministic universe...wouldn't "soul" be hobbled all the same, if everything was under sway of determinism? If we're going to make special exceptions for this "soul" business we may as well make special exceptions for this "body" business.
You know what amigo...I think that if you layed some of this out as succinctly as possible...and tried to form a logical statement, rather than this freeform stuff...you'd probably spot the issues with your claims yourself.
@Tonus...Trouble is this...we've actually found that it's -not- at all impossible to determine that. Some clearly are. Even worse, some surprising things can be -reprogrammed-, even when we think we've chosen them....essentially on a whim...takes very little.
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