Oklahoma Republican wants to make secular marriage impossible.

[Mister Agenda]

In the 'for what it's worth' department, here in SC, the minister at the UU I attend started performing same-sex marriages for free as soon as it was allowed. I think we got in about a dozen like that.

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So what? This is neither a defense of discriminatory practices, nor of this specific proposal. At best, it's an argument from tradition, which is obviously fallacious. What's your actual point, here?

Why must everything be a fallacy to you guys? I don't believe you guys actually know what the word means, especially after someone called the concept of "justice" a fallacy.

You should have picked a better example for your mini-rant. Appeal to tradition is a formal fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

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So why the surprise if a document invented in order discriminate, is still used to discriminate? And why would you want such a document?

Yes, it was, and still is, used to discriminate. It should not be used so. I might want that document because of the privileges accompanying having it.

I would be happy to see the marriage license requirement abolished, and marriage become a matter of contracts and ceremonies without government involvement beyond recognizing and enforcing said contracts. Short of that, I would like to see discrimination taken out of the matter. Why would you want to maintain discriminatory practices?

It's perfectly consistent to want to abolish marriage licenses and think they shouldn't be used in a discriminatory fashion.