RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?
February 2, 2015 at 9:12 am
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2015 at 9:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 2, 2015 at 12:29 am)Godschild Wrote: You'll never change will you,Do I have a choice in that...lol?
Quote:Now to the actual material, actualized no, visualized yes. To be determined it would have to be planned out to the smallest detail by the one manipulating the actions.No...it wouldn't. Determinism does not require and is not equivalent with planning.
Quote:God does not do this, scripture makes it clear, the flood story shows God allows things to progress in man's free will.I already gave god a pass, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend god against an accusation I haven't made. I don't think god determines anything...remember? I'm only asking whether or not god is present in a future state. Presence, GC...read the questions, or don't pretend to respond to them. If I took your answer to actually refer to the section you quoted I would have to conclude that you don't believe god to be omnipresent, merely very imaginative. Is that your position, god isn't actually everywhere, he just thinks about everywhere.
Quote:Actualized no, visualized yes. To be determined it would have to be planned out to the smallest detail by the one manipulating the actions. God does not do this, the scriptures make it clear, the story of the Israelites shows God allows things to progress in man's free will.-again, god was already given a pass, you are responding to some charge explicitly not made. But again, if you think that god is just really imaginative, rather than possessing knowledge of future states......then you don't believe that god is omnipresent or omniscient......
......and isn't that exactly what I said when you decided to call me delusional, you fucking moron?
Quote:Who would like someone planning out their entire life, what reason would one have to grow, no decisions to be made, no reason to care. Just because you believe your false religion determines your every decision doesn't mean the rest of us have to accept such crap.I don't know who would like that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion, and what someone may like is irrelevant to the truth.
Quote:God says He has chosen national leadersThen gods a liar. We voted ours in.
Quote:, it's for reasons you would never accept, but nevertheless it's be done and will continue to happen to keep God's ultimate plan on track. But to predetermine everyone's life never.you seem to be obsessed with this idea, can you choose not to be?
Quote:God's seen what the future holds and has appeared into history to make sure His ultimate plan is carried out, but to plan and control our every move, no, never. Our lives are ours to live and to do so we have to have free will.Sure, and I've seen the inside of the Enterprise.....but that's not what I asked you at all, now is it?
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