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Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky
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RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky
(February 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Heywood Wrote: From what I understand, Ham is claiming that the state is treating the Ark Encounter differently because it is a religious organization. The position of the state is that they are not, that they would deny tax rebates to any organization which discriminates in hiring. The wrinkle is a law which Ham claims gives him the right to discriminate.

Which law is it? Ham insists that he has the right to discriminate, but I also haven't seen him point to the law that's supposedly on his side, either. Is there something specific you're referencing her, or are we talking about the same generic claim?

Quote:Suppose Ham wasn't building a giant wooden ark but instead building the most awesomeist strip club on the planet. Further suppose that he discriminated in the hiring of his dancers by stipulating he would only hire girls who are under 95 years old. He probably has a legal right to discriminate that way. Does the state have the right to punish him by denying him access to the sales tax rebate program because he exercised his right to discriminate?

You're comparing apples and oranges; not hiring someone based on a lack of relevant skills isn't discrimination in a legally objectionable sense, it's just a basic understanding that one needs to be qualified for a job to get hired to do it. In your strip club example, certain physical requirements would preclude 95 year olds from being qualified to do the job. However, when we're talking about the Ark Encounter, Ham is discriminating against a protected class- religious discrimination laws also protect the religious, I have to point out, they're for the good of us all- and he's doing it based on non-relevant beliefs. He's hiring people to work at a theme park, and in particular the jobs that got him in trouble in the first place were for technicians to be involved with design and engineering; nothing in either of those jobs requires religious belief to be qualified to do them.

More importantly, you're missing some key information, in that Kentucky state laws and federal ones provide exemptions for religious employers allowing them to discriminate on the basis of religion, but not if they want to be given government incentives. Ham has every possibility of being allowed to discriminate for his religious businesses, though the chances of being awarded such an exemption falls when we're talking about a for-profit entity, but he doesn't have the right to demand that the government subsidize that. He's not being punished for his hiring practices, he's just not being given a gift because he doesn't want to follow government standards, and he's shitty about that because as a christian he expects special treatment. But he isn't owed a tax break to finish building his park any more than anyone else is, especially in light of the facts that A: he attempted to deceive the government by hiring people through his non-profit to work for his for-profit the moment it became clear that discriminating for a for-profit would jeopardize his tax break, and B: his group hired groups with a conflict of interest to artificially inflate the predicted tourist business his park would do in early estimations, which independently run government estimations quickly found to be inaccurate in the extreme.

When you characterize what's happening as Ham being punished, you're missing out the intentional deception, the nature of what's actually happening, and the fact that the guy is skirting the law, if not outright breaking them. There are rules for subsidy programs; Ken Ham doesn't have to follow them, but he does if he wants into the program.
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Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Tonus - February 4, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by AFTT47 - February 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Dystopia - February 4, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Minimalist - February 6, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Dystopia - February 6, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by rexbeccarox - February 4, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 4, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 4, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 4, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 4, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 4, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 4, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by kookookachoo - February 5, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Crossless1 - February 4, 2015 at 4:47 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Tonus - February 4, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 4, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Crossless1 - February 4, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 4, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Chas - February 4, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 4, 2015 at 4:26 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Cato - February 4, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by The Valkyrie - February 4, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by LastPoet - February 4, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Brian37 - February 4, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 6:31 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Natachan - February 5, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 5, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 5, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 5, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by kookookachoo - February 5, 2015 at 5:38 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 5, 2015 at 5:59 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 5, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 3:05 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 6, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 6, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 6, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by orogenicman - February 6, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Dystopia - February 6, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 6, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Cato - February 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 6, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 7, 2015 at 5:35 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 8, 2015 at 2:23 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 8, 2015 at 6:02 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Brian37 - February 8, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 8, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Brian37 - February 9, 2015 at 7:41 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by kookookachoo - February 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 7, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Heywood - February 7, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 7, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 6, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Dystopia - February 6, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by robvalue - February 7, 2015 at 6:02 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Minimalist - February 7, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by kookookachoo - February 7, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Brian37 - February 9, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 9, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 9, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 9, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 9, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Jackalope - February 9, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by Esquilax - February 10, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Ken Ham files lawsuit against Kentucky - by KevinM1 - March 8, 2015 at 11:56 am

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