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Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion?
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RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion?
(February 5, 2015 at 3:58 pm)rasetsu Wrote: To say that something is an illusion isn't necessarily to say that it's phantasy. All it means is that there is a description of the phenomena that is closer to reality than the surface description normally attributed to a thing. If meaning and intentionality are illusions, it simply means there's a better description of them than the one we have. It doesn't imply that the phenomena are empty.

I think you are referring to an epistemological difference of degree (like Newtonian vs. Quantum physics) whereas I am pointing to an ontological difference of kind.
I think an illusion occurs when something only appears to be one thing when it is actually another. For example, the thing in the dark corner may appear to be a snake when it is actually a coil of rope. Mistaking a coil of rope for a snake is an error of kind, not of degree.

As it applies to the issue of intentionality, something either has it or it doesn’t. The needle of a thermostat only appears intent on reaching the set point, whereas a cheetah actually intends to nab zebras. I say the goal directed behavior of the thermostat is an illusion while the goal directed behavior of the cheetah is real – a difference of kind.

Likewise, as it applies to meaning, the idea that meaning can be found in a purely physical description of something is ludicrous. While the physical beads can represent the non-physical ideas of enumeration, no purely physical description of an abacus would ever reveal the significance of the beads. Again, we see a difference in kind between a sign and its significance.
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Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 2, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Jenny A - February 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Tonus - February 2, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Silver - February 2, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 3, 2015 at 9:56 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 3, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 3, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Tonus - February 4, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by professor - February 3, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 3, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Minimalist - February 3, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Mudhammam - February 5, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Angrboda - February 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Chas - February 3, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 4, 2015 at 4:57 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Angrboda - February 5, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Godschild - February 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Nope - February 5, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Godschild - February 6, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 5, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Esquilax - February 5, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Angrboda - February 6, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Mudhammam - February 6, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Aoi Magi - February 6, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 7:27 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Mudhammam - February 6, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Godschild - February 7, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Mudhammam - February 7, 2015 at 3:51 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by h4ym4n - February 9, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by h4ym4n - February 10, 2015 at 7:04 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Tonus - February 10, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Drich - February 7, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 7, 2015 at 5:29 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Godschild - February 7, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Mudhammam - February 8, 2015 at 12:10 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by Godschild - February 8, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by dyresand - February 8, 2015 at 11:20 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 7, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 8, 2015 at 5:42 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 8, 2015 at 11:26 pm
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 8:48 am
RE: Theists, What Do You Get Out of Religion? - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 9:16 am

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