A question for Christians who accept evolution.

[Peter44]

DeistPaladin mentioned something that I'd never really thought of before concerning Christianity and evolution.

Essentially, evolution means that there was no Adam & Eve, which means there was no fall, which means there was no need for Jesus.

I'm just wondering how Christian "evolutionists" explain their faith in light of this. What was the point of Jesus if there was no fall? Or, if there was a fall, when (and why) did it happen?

Evolution does not really mean there was no Adam and Eve does it ?? perhaps they were the first two to evolve ?? Amazingly dated at about 4000 years ago!.

If Christianity was really based on the 'fall' it seem to have taken 'God' (through Jesus) along time to address it. Choosing an backward and defeated persecuted people to impose the solution is also questionable.
Christians seem to deal with these issues very easily they just ignore the facts as their minds are made up. The 'fall' and issues like 'original sin' even 'virgin birth' and 'angels' etc are looked upon even by many clergy as symbolic only. In effect they ignore the difficult bits that really are less acceptable today than they were a few thousand years ago.

The issue I find more difficult for Christians who believe in evolution, to live with is the process they through which Darwin identifies evolution working. Natural Selection.

This process is particularly cruel it relies on suffering of organisms as the means of enabling progress and survival.

The designer of such a process (if he,she or it existed) would surely be classified as a sadist not a loving all caring deity.


I was once a teacher of science and psychology in the UK state system.
In fact when I have suggested this to a number of individuals (Science Teachers) who claim to be believers in the theory of evolution and Christians.

The general approach was well we accept its a 'theory' and taught bits of it as such. In short the students were short changed.

I don't believe Christians could accept evolution I think its impossible for them to accept both, as it was for Darwin. I understand Wallace took the stance that many Christian Teachers in the Uk take today and Darwin looked down on him for it. In summary they, accept evolution for animals but not for humans.

I wish Richard Dawkins book on the evidence for evolution (The Greatest Show on Earth) which squashes the 'Its only a theory' argument, was available then.

There is nothing more amusing (and in a way sad at the same time) than a Christian (Muslim or Jew)dealing with the scientific evidence for evolution.

Its still the best argument we have.