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Deism: I don't get it
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RE: Deism: I don't get it
(February 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Lek Wrote: Isn't hell, followed by annihilation, everlasting? For eternity one doesn't get to experience everlasting life with God.
Not in the context in which that word is used, especially since it is juxtaposed with the promise of "everlasting life" for the righteous. Like most moderates, you start with the belief and then read in to the text a justification for that belief. It's called "confirmation bias". For anyone reading the passage who has never heard of Christianity, the natural conclusion is that Jesus is speaking of eternal torment for the damned.

Of course, if that isn't enough to convince you, the context of Matthew 25 with Jesus' other teachings support the idea of eternal torture rather than annihilation:

Quote:Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them [the damned] into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:47-48 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched

Luke 16:24 And he [the damned rich man] cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
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Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 10:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - December 4, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Angrboda - December 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Jenny A - December 4, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Tonus - December 4, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by FatAndFaithless - December 4, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cato - December 4, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Rob216 - December 4, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - December 4, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Grandizer - February 11, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 12, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by MysticKnight - December 4, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 9, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - February 10, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 3:49 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by emilynghiem - February 10, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:25 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Grandizer - February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by FatAndFaithless - February 11, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by JesusHChrist - February 11, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Dystopia - February 11, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 12, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Spooky - February 12, 2015 at 8:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 12, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 14, 2015 at 2:36 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 16, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by JesusHChrist - February 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by IATIA - February 13, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 14, 2015 at 12:24 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 14, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 13, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 13, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 12, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Spooky - February 11, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Pizza - February 11, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - February 11, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:11 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:27 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 4:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 5:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:17 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:22 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:24 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:26 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:28 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:41 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:51 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:26 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by IATIA - February 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by emilynghiem - February 16, 2015 at 5:55 pm

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