RE: "Time does not exist outside of the universe, so nothing can predate the univ...
February 22, 2015 at 12:20 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 8:40 pm)IATIA Wrote:(February 20, 2015 at 5:45 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: "Time does not exist outside of the universe", hm.And that is true.
Let us take one single photon and put it inside an infinity with nothing but space.
Where is the time? We know the photon is traveling at 3.0 x 10E8/sec. and from the photon's point of view, time does not pass. The photon does not age, does not disperse, does not degrade, it just exists at 3.0 x 10E8/sec. At any point in 'time' the photon is no closer or further away from the 'center' of the infinity. Time is nothing more than relative motion. And without a point of reference, motion does not exist either.
Put a second photon in this infinite space and now we have relative motion. Wha la, we have 'time'.
Personally, I prefer the arguments against the Kalam argument I detailed in my above post. There are various ways to refute the Kalam argument but I'd rather not get into a discussion about physics with a believer. The reason they believe their religion is correct is never because of the Kalam argument so I would want to shift the discussion to their religious text(s) as quickly as possible. That's where I can have some fun. Take Quran 2:73 for example. It's saying a murdered person was resurrected when they were struck with a piece of beef (hiefer).
