Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[Drich]

Could you expand on this a bit, Drich? Perhaps you could give an example of what is considered moral according to your god that isn't also considered good by the popular culture.

Certainly, matter of fact here are three examples.

1) God instituted the covenant of marriage between man, woman and a blessing on this Union from Himself.
2) God forbade sex outside of this holy Union.
3) God (The Son) placed a curse on anyone who would harm a child, yet we prize 'a woman's "right to choose" over a child's right to life, if we simply dehumanize the child and call it by the Latin name instead of its more familiar English identifying name.

Maybe I am wrong but isn't pop culture things like music, tv shows and movies?

... Just a little further with this thought...
(What driving soceitial force also determines content in the cultural things you just mentioned?)

I do not believe in god and so far I have no desire to hurt anyone. Do you have proof that without god we would turn into genocidal maniacs?

aside for world history?

The only reason you are content is because everything you want is brought to you, let the walmarts and targets of this world dry up, and you will divert back to the same primal mess that founded this country, and every other one man has ever established.

History shows Hunger, the illusion of safty, pride are the reasons soceities spiral off the rails. As we have those we like the Greeks, romans, the English all held massive empires, who's slow decent into debachery ultimatly lead to their demise. While these cultures remain, they are but shadows of who they once where. The US is no different.

Actually, bible god drowned most of humanity once and has promised to return to destroy most of humankind again. Are there corcumstances where you believe genocide is moral, Drich?

yes

How can you judge the Nazis as evil when, according to the bible, your god has done worse?

because again the act itself is not what is evil, it is who and why it is being carried out that is evil.

We will learn (maybe not in this generation) but hopefully by the next that humanity as a whole is not redeemable. That their are those among us who only seek to destroy those who are not like them. The staff at CHARLIE Hebdo learned this at a great cost. (Not everyone wants to live in your/their version of the world.) and it will be by their hand that a choice will be forced upon the world. At some point it will be 'us' or them..

Iran is desperatly trying to put nukes (in suit case form) in the hands of the people who shot up CHARLIE Hebdo, and the people who are now threatening western malls.

After we are made to abandon a few dozen cities like NYC or Washington DC, because nuke radiation is too high, maybe people like you will wake up one day and see not everyone wants to live in the wests version of the future.

Some people want to toe the line that was toe-ed, a thousand years ago, and don't care who they have to kill to make the world toe that very same line....
So if and when it comes to that point whether or not pop culture is ready to accept that killing more than just armed combatants is what we have to do to purge or break a people of an ideology I am for it. As I have been for as long as I can remember.

Because honestly this is no different than the US fire bombing/napalming (ultimatly nuking) the Japanese general population centers as the strageity for winning the war in Japan.. The powers that be then knew that it wasn't just the trained soldiers that they were fighting. We were fighting every man woman and child in that social group, and it took a battle plan that addressed the whole enemy and not just the ones who wore different uniforms than us.

In short our war against Japan was a modern example of sanctioned genocide, we broke the will of that people. Took their cultural identity, and replaced it with our own. Now look at what Japan is compared to what it was pre wwii.

Our war in Japan is a great example of what structured genocide can do for a radical population who self destructive tendencies would normally demand that they invade or attack our way of life.

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Hello ignorant.

I could say the same and add near sighted, without a basic knoweledge of world history.[/quote]

If you give us your definition of good we can determine where we agree and disagree.

Good is what ever God says it is.

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So is it your belief that your life as a moral whateverist, would be possible if not for all the genocide and this/your country was built on?

Oh, for fuck's sake. You can't tar someone with the actions of people before they were born, Drich. You keep doing this, demanding that we throw the baby out with the bathwater, and for what purpose? You want us to... what? Admit that genocide is okay because genocide happened in the past?

Is that seriously your moral standpoint? "I believe genocide is okay, and you should too?"

If our foundations is one bathed in blood how hard does the storms of life have to come at us before we return to them?

Again, it won't be long before the terrorist learn how to hit the supermarkets that allow us the luxury's of being post modern self righteous douche bags who are 'better' than the generation who came before us...

Riddle me this:
What happens when whole foods can't provide you with year round kale, quinoa, and tofu? Now what happens when wal mart cant provide fried chicken, hamburgers, hot dogs, moon pies, and cokes to all your red blooded neighbors?

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God could not also be judged as 'good' by hedonistic roman standards... That's my point. In a declining soceity who bases right and wrong off of pop culture God who opposes our desire to slip into evil will always be judged 'bad' as a means to justify our decent into the evil we crave.

The "decent into evil" being countries that fight for equal protection for everyone under the law, the criminalization of slavery and rape, and such?

Was that England's stance she. It's empire started to unravel itself in the late 1700? Or is human rights high on the list of China (the next great world empire)

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In a declining soceity who bases right and wrong off of pop culture

My morality comes from what I personally believe is right or wrong. I may enjoy Lady Gaga's music, but she in no way influences me in matters of morality. Not that she is in any way immoral except through the highly biased and abnormal viewpoint of the erroneously skewed theistic mindset.

It is quite mentally unhealthy to adhere to the notion that we are defective and evil due to the absurd theistic belief that we are all sinners. If anything is a sin, it is the horrible theistic urge to continuously deprive one's self of rationality purely based on a primitive belief system that by any logical standards is dangerous simply for its reliance upon delusion as opposed to the harsher truth of reality.

Being weak enough to fall into the trap of faith's delusion is not something of which to be proud.

Not what I said.