Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[MilesAbbott81]

Then you need to demonstrate that god is the entirety of that category, instead of just asserting that.

*Sighs* That's the thing; I already have. I'm really not sure how else to describe my argument to you.

And also? A pre-big bang universe is beyond the limitations of our understanding of physics. You might want to read some physics sources, before you decide what the current models of it is.

I never said anything about a pre-big bang universe, I simply said that God could've created the universe (or perhaps its expansion and formation would be more accurate) using the big bang. Whatever the current model, no model explains the origin of the matter, so going into details is pointless.

The category isn't available to you because you refuse this "special pleading" thing of which you speak.

Serious question: do you know what special pleading is, and why it's fallacious? It's okay if you don't, but that is something we'd need to clear up; the way you're saying this makes it look as though you have absolutely no idea what the objection is.

Actually, no, I'd never heard the special pleading argument before, but I inferred the meaning from context. I looked it up just now to make sure, and I inferred correctly. God justifies the exception by His definition as omnipotent. As I've said multiple times now and in many ways, God is necessarily above all rules and limitations, if He created our existence. I see no point in repeating myself any further, so this will be the last time I mention it.

Where in the laws of physics do you get the idea that supernatural causation must be a part of the origin of the universe?

Again, already answered multiple times in multiple ways. There is only so much I can do here.
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Physics says the universe is impossible, therefore physics says existence is impossible. And who can accomplish the impossible but God?

I think you're gonna need a citation for that first claim.

Unless physics has all of a sudden added the spontaneous creation of matter to its lexicon, I certainly do not. My citation is logic...can I do nothing but repeat myself here? Apparently not.

Explanations require a "how?" answer. How did god create the universe? If you can't say that, you don't have an explanation when you say god; it's roughly akin to being asked how hot dogs are made, and answering with "meat." Even if you're correct, you've done nothing to advance the knowledge that the questioner actually wanted when they asked you.

Well, at least it's a new question. The answer is, how the hell should I know? You're asking me to explain the unexplainable. If I knew how to create something from nothing, I'd be a god myself.

Why must you have answers to everything? Why must everything be explained, categorized, analyzed and interpreted?

Why do you want so badly for there not to be a God? That is the most important question.