RE: Why are all atheists liberals?
March 7, 2015 at 10:58 pm
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2015 at 11:00 pm by Dystopia.)
(March 7, 2015 at 10:40 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:(March 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I am right wing as well - I am better classified as a classic liberal. I agree with libertarians on some things, but I'm not capitalist enough to be labelled a libertarian - Assuming you know what libertarianism means (the right wing libertarianism) and the dichotomy between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists If I was socially conservative I'd be a full conservative.
For curiosity, why do you call yourself a conservative? For example, do you agree with this:
http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/deta...rinciples/
I post on a forum for politics, it's full of ideologically diverse people. I get along with conservatives, but we disagree on some things like gay marriage, abortion etc. That list of principles seems to be important for conservatives. I also think conservatism doesn't mean the same in every country because what is meant to be preserved is different. For example, American conservatives are liberal on economics because the US was founded on the principles of liberalism (how ironic!), but conservatives in Europe are pro-government intervention because it's tradition
I knew there was a reason that I get so many kudos from you! Yeah I would say my beliefs are very similar to yours. That if I were socially conservative (and I don't think that social conservatism is entirely without merit either, especially the focus on the importance of the family and the cohesiveness of the family) then I would be fully a conservative. I don't really like the label libertarian because, yeah, too often it's associated with Ayn Rand types and I firmly believe that a mixed economy is best. There is also an uncomfortable level of kookism associated with libertarianism for me. I'd like that my views might be closest to a Barry Goldwater or something. He wrote a book about being a conservative so I like the label. Browsing the points in that link, yeah I probably agree with most of that.
However I live a super non-conservative lifestyle, I probably have the most radically anti-establishment lifestyle on the forums.
I think some libertarians are just classic liberals - Right wing libertarianism (I'd like to highlight the fact libertarianism can be left wing, it's called socialist libertarianism) is either anarcho-capitalism or minarchism (the state only intervenes with military and police - nothing else) so it doesn't appeal to most people.
My experience in arguing with conservatives in a forum about politics has changed some of my views about them.
Curiously I'm a rightist liberal that lives a very "conservative" lifestyle.
The reason I don't vote for conservatives in my country is because (1) They are too Christian (2) They support the EU and I'm Euro-skeptical (it's not like in the UK that has a euro-skeptical party) (3) They are too conservative socially too suit my views
[My only choice for a euro-skeptical party is the far-right which I refuse to vote for because they are basically new-school neo-nazis)
Some of my views are labelled by my friends as far right, such as my criticism of Islam - I find it overwhelmingly inaccurate because far-right is something we usually associate with Hitler or extremist ideologies
(March 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Sometimes also I don't readily express my more conservative beliefs on here because I know this forum is full of you liberals and I don't want to miss out on the kudos.
Definitions are slippery things when it comes to politics.
On gay rights and many other family value issues I'm left or more rightly (pun intended) libertarian. On the capitalist versus socialism scale I'm pretty conservative or more rightly libertarian. But there are atheists who are so conservative they leave in shaking my head. Every so often I voice my opinions about ecomonics, but it takes energy to respond to what sometimes feels like the whole forum.
I think there's plenty of atheists who think like that - In fact, atheists who have taken a degree on economics will probably think like that
I still think you must be a classic liberal like the other thousands of people who claim to lean libertarian, simply because you probably don't agree with the extremist of non-state intervention some libertarian policies propose. Do you think someone should be left to starve if that person doesn't have any money? If you answered "no", then you are not so libertarian.
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