(March 8, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 8, 2015 at 4:00 pm)Nope Wrote: Drich wrote:
But we don't need to see blood and suffering to know someone made a sacrifice for us. The sacrificing person doesn't even have to die. For example, when parents work two jobs so their child can go to college we know that the parent has sacrificed for their child. Jewish people didn't believe that their was only one way to gain god's forgiveness and they are the ones who wrote the rules in the Old Testament.
The Christian story makes god seem like Ramsey Snow torturing Theon from Game of Thrones or Jigsaw from the Saw movies. Bible god decided to set up a weird game system with rules he created just so he could eventually torture himself for a few hours so humans could tell him how great he is.
In the op you said christ could have suffered more, and now you say he suffered too much...
Christ suffered and died to illustrate the pain and suffering/cost of salvation. These illustrations help us understand the very high price attonement cost God.
You are misreading me. If your god had to suffer for us to gain forgiveness then why is a six hour crucifixion enough compared to the eternity of hell we get for not kissing his ass for that unasked for 'sacrifice". But why suffer at all? That is silly. And no, humans do not need pain and suffering to illustrate the cost of a sacrifice. You are married, Drich. When your wife takes time to do something for you does she also have to physically hurt herself to gain your gratitude?
