RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 9, 2015 at 9:31 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2015 at 9:34 am by Drich.)
(March 9, 2015 at 9:18 am)Nope Wrote: You are misreading me. If your god had to suffer for us to gain forgiveness then why is a six hour crucifixion enough compared to the eternity of hell we get for not kissing his ass for that unasked for 'sacrifice".It wasn't just His death on the cross, it was the death sentence that he endured before that death along with His seperation from the Father that is to attone for our sins. Like I said I believe this sacrifice did indeed Change the nature of the Relationship of The Father and Son. That His life in eternity past will not be the same in eternity future.
Quote:But why suffer at all? That is silly. And no, humans do not need pain and suffering to illustrate the cost of a sacrifice. You are married, Drich. When your wife takes time to do something for you does she also have to physically hurt herself to gain your gratitude?God is not looking for graitude. Paul tells us we have been bought with a great price. This is the message that God is communicating, not that He simply wants a thank you. We were all slaves of sin, and now we have been freed from those bonds.
(March 9, 2015 at 8:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Another question is..why would Jesus ask if his Father had forsaken him...if he is his Father. It's like Gollum arguing with Smeagol, it's insane.
God is a title and not a name. Example:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.
For the son to ask the Father anything would be no different than any son to ask any father something who shared the same title.
