RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
March 9, 2015 at 9:41 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2015 at 9:57 am by Drich.)
(March 9, 2015 at 9:22 am)Nope Wrote:Jesus asking "Father why have you forsaken me" is what I am talking about Jesus being seperated from the Father, for the sins of man.(March 9, 2015 at 8:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Another question is..why would Jesus ask if his Father had forsaken him...if he is his Father. It's like Gollum arguing with Smeagol, it's insane.
Some Christians think that Jesus actually became sin or somehow took on our literal sin while on the cross. I had a pastor who claimed that god could not look on sin so he could no longer see Jesus. At least, I think that was his explanation. The pastor's explanation countered the idea of an omnipotent god so completely that I felt my former religious brain begin to explode.
The Father forsaking the son is not about line of sight, but about removing The Son from the position of Glory He once had. about dethroneing Christ/Striping Him of rank and title and punishing Him for our sins.
Not only did He have to endure the physical punishment so we could grasp the Spiritual costs Christ underwent, He also had to endure the Spiritual costs.
(March 9, 2015 at 9:39 am)Nestor Wrote:(March 9, 2015 at 9:31 am)Drich Wrote: God is a title and not a name. Example:Did you know the Greeks were monotheistic too?
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.
For the son to ask the Father anything would be no different than any son to ask any father something who shared the same title.
God Zeus
God Apollo
God Poseidon
=
ONE God.
Ah no...
What was Zeus God of?
What was Poesidon God of?
What was Apollo God of?
Outside their realms they were weak.
One God refers to the oneness of God over everything.
(March 9, 2015 at 9:41 am)Nope Wrote: Strong message? What is your definition of strong and weak in regards to this topic?There is no greater love than for a man to lay his life down for another.
Quote:What freedom did you gain? If you mean freedom from sin than you have to prove that you don't commit any acts that are considered sins in your religion.
Freedom from sin mean freedom from the persecution I would normally have to endure for the sins I committed. It means one is free from the law as a means to the righteousness needed to be deemed worthy to enter Heaven. Rather than legalistically follow the law, I now have traded my sin for the righteousness of Christ. So when God see me, He does not see my sin, but 'sees' the righteousness of Christ on me.
It's like being the brother of Tom Hanks. Yes he maybe welcome on one of his sets or even to the oscars, but he is not there because of his own merrit. He is only there because Tom vouched for Him. When people see Him they don't see a guy who job demands that he be allowed in, they see Tom's brother.
Like wise Christians are only worthy of Heaven because Christ will vouch for us. It is not because we like Tom's brother merrit the prestege, It's because Christ vouches for us.
