Indoctrinating Children in Religion

[Dystopia]

I don't agree with you, it depends on the context - Indoctrination of religious belief may not involve telling kids they'll go to help, it depends on the method being used - I could tell my kids that they must really believe in god because there's lots of evidence and there's none for other gods, and they would believe me (most likely)... Political ideas can be as dangerous if not more than religious ones, and they can cause a lot of hatred and intolerance

And religious indoctrination doesn't involve hatred and intolerance? I'm not saying political indoctrination isn't harmful -- it certainly is -- but I have doubts it can cause as much damage as religious indoctrination.

I agree, it doesn't necessarily mean condemning to hell, but in too many cases, it does.

Pardon me if I get worked up. It's a touchy subject to me, because of personal experiences.

I understand. I am lucky to never have been indoctrinated into any religion.

It can involve hated and intolerance, it just depends. Any kind of indoctrination can lead to hatred and intolerance for those who think differently.

Using the example of political ideas, if I raise my kids to be marxists they'll hate anyone who is upper middle class and rich, if I teach my kids to be far right they'll be racists and xenophobes, if I teach my kids to be very conservative they'll hate liberals, etc.

There is no comparison between this approach and making your child believe what you believe as true. That is horrendous to any free thinking person, unfortunately that description doesn't apply to theists so you wouldn't recognise how repulsive indoctrination really is. Most of you are victims of course after all.

I don't agree with this - All parents do this to an extent, there's always something we believe to be true and teach our children that it is true. For example, I will teach my children that not killing others is a fundamental moral value and I consider it the truth.

This becomes slightly relative because we all believe we are right - So we think what we pass on to the next generation is the truth. Christians don't realize how bad indoctrination is, but they genuinely think they are saving their children's souls. This applies to just about any idea.

We are all narcissistic about our views to some extent, we all think there's truth in our ideas, and we end up passing those to the next generation even if we are not aware of it

I will happily show pros and cons for just about everything, but I'll obviously place an emphasis on what I think is right, every parent does that.

The part I bolded represents an utopian idea because it's impossible to fulfil, there is no impartial education, we are all biased