RE: If there is a creator, so what?
March 12, 2015 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2015 at 10:06 am by Smaug.)
The first problem is that a lot of people like to discuss the existance of a creator but fail to set up at least the most primitive set of definitions. Thus each of them have their own notions and they do nothing more than argue pointlessy over a non-issue. I'd have to say here that this question is fundamentally rhetoric so most ways to discuss it lead essentially to the same null result.
The other problem is that in a rigorous sence we can not have a complete set of data on any physical phenomena as we can do with some purely abstract things in logic and math. On the other hand, people are often only satisfied with yes/no type of answers which is a fundamentally wrong, simplistic, black and white approach to reality. If there is some absolute truth it is that there are no known 'absolute absolutes' in the world but only probabilities and some of them are more or less close to absolute yes or no. Some happen to be asymptotically close to absolute at least in a local sence which is usually more than enaugh for a rational person (this is the case when a rational person gives a strictly yes or no answer). And some are just undefined.
The third problem is that human science does not have nearly enaugh understanding of extra-universal happenings. It's not even possible to define the border of our Universe and say if something could or could not exist outside. There is still no way to see beyond the temporal limit early in the Universe's life, too. The model of our Universe is far, far from being comprehensive enaugh to present more or less clear hypotheses for said questions and there are no ways to test them experimentally (which is a crucial thing).
Speaking of the creator question there's obviously not enaugh data to even define the question in a more or less probable way, let alone to answer it. I'm not speaking about the abrahamic version of the creator now. Just about some potential entity that may have created our Universe. For example some alien experimentators... or even an alien hooligan. Our universe may have been created competely ocasionally and without any knowing by the creator. Or it may have been created by itself. The answer by itself potentially is of a great importance in a cosmologically long run. And maybe sometimes humans or any other sentient (in our sence) species will come to answer this question. For example through becoming able to create universes by themselves or arriving at a better understanding of the process of universe formation and evolution. But nowadays there is no known data that leads our scientists to consider the absence or existence of creator(s) and determine their motives or role in Universe's life. Hense the question is irrelevant for now. Everything has it's own time.
Speaking of certain religious people who like to point out that there is no way to prove the absence of a creator for now, they seem not to understand that this issue by itself can not in any way help them to defend their own myth. While there can potentially be a creator, traditional religious myths have nothing to do with said entity in any way other than stating that there is one. This is due to the fact that scriptures are essentially religious cosmological hypotheses which present lots of details on their respective gods rather than just stating vaguely that there's a creator. These hypotheses even in the most intricate of their statements have been long disproved and dismissed as myths.
The other problem is that in a rigorous sence we can not have a complete set of data on any physical phenomena as we can do with some purely abstract things in logic and math. On the other hand, people are often only satisfied with yes/no type of answers which is a fundamentally wrong, simplistic, black and white approach to reality. If there is some absolute truth it is that there are no known 'absolute absolutes' in the world but only probabilities and some of them are more or less close to absolute yes or no. Some happen to be asymptotically close to absolute at least in a local sence which is usually more than enaugh for a rational person (this is the case when a rational person gives a strictly yes or no answer). And some are just undefined.
The third problem is that human science does not have nearly enaugh understanding of extra-universal happenings. It's not even possible to define the border of our Universe and say if something could or could not exist outside. There is still no way to see beyond the temporal limit early in the Universe's life, too. The model of our Universe is far, far from being comprehensive enaugh to present more or less clear hypotheses for said questions and there are no ways to test them experimentally (which is a crucial thing).
Speaking of the creator question there's obviously not enaugh data to even define the question in a more or less probable way, let alone to answer it. I'm not speaking about the abrahamic version of the creator now. Just about some potential entity that may have created our Universe. For example some alien experimentators... or even an alien hooligan. Our universe may have been created competely ocasionally and without any knowing by the creator. Or it may have been created by itself. The answer by itself potentially is of a great importance in a cosmologically long run. And maybe sometimes humans or any other sentient (in our sence) species will come to answer this question. For example through becoming able to create universes by themselves or arriving at a better understanding of the process of universe formation and evolution. But nowadays there is no known data that leads our scientists to consider the absence or existence of creator(s) and determine their motives or role in Universe's life. Hense the question is irrelevant for now. Everything has it's own time.
Speaking of certain religious people who like to point out that there is no way to prove the absence of a creator for now, they seem not to understand that this issue by itself can not in any way help them to defend their own myth. While there can potentially be a creator, traditional religious myths have nothing to do with said entity in any way other than stating that there is one. This is due to the fact that scriptures are essentially religious cosmological hypotheses which present lots of details on their respective gods rather than just stating vaguely that there's a creator. These hypotheses even in the most intricate of their statements have been long disproved and dismissed as myths.