RE: If there is a creator, so what?
March 13, 2015 at 4:58 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2015 at 5:20 pm by Lek.)
(March 13, 2015 at 3:20 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: There are things science can't explain yet. Can you explain why do you take a leap to the supernatural? Why assume there is something "more" than we could possibly observe? And why is living without knowing so terrifiying or inconvenient that you lean towards supernatural claims?
All the other zillion other living creatures on earth only react to stimulus they receive from their natural senses. They behave today just the same as they did 5,000 years ago. We humans are unique in that we possess a spiritual nature that is in the image of the creator. We can venture outside the box we live in and consider other things. We've continued to widen the gap between us and our closest related physical creatures. You're right that there are things that science can't explain.
Quote:But as I said, why is the creator always existing more probable than the universe always existing, for example?Scientifically speaking, I'm not sure. Must anything physical have been created according to scientific principles? Do think something the physical universe always existed?
Quote:Look at it this way: if there is a creator, he had to always exist, because he couldn't have created himself, right? So why is the eternal existence of a disembodied mind more probable than the eternal existence of matter? What makes it so much more believable?Because I believe the witness of the biblical writers written over the centuries predicting the coming of a messiah. I also believe the new testament writers who claim to have walked with Jesus and testify to his works and that he is the messiah. And every time I try convince myself that there is no God, I walk outside and become more convinced that there is. Obviously, we look at the same evidence and come up with different interpretations.
(March 13, 2015 at 3:38 pm)RobertE Wrote: One thing that creationists cannot answer and I am sure it has been asked before. How did Noah take two of each animal and place them in his ark? If the bible is literally talking about all animals, then it has to be wrong. Saltwater animals cannot live in tropical waters, Marine life cannot live in Tropical waters, and freshwater cannot live in tropical water so, how on earth did Noah get around this little dilemma?
Pretty simple - either it wasn't a literal story or else God worked a miracle. I believe it wasn't literal, but at the same time, the God who created the universe and caused the flood could have managed an easy thing like that.
(March 13, 2015 at 2:49 pm)RobertE Wrote: We have to go back to basics to actually understand how the universe came about, how human beings and other organisms came about and how we share certain features. This is only hypothetical of course, but if God created man in his own image and he created the animals, how could he have got it so wrong? It is said that he created animals such as snakes, whales, hippos, lions, tigers, bears, sharks etc etc ad nauseum. However, how can someone so give what could be described as legs to an animal that slithers along the ground? What is the point of whales still having vestigial organs i.e. legs again when they live in water and have done for some time. Are we really to believe that God created perfect beings in the hope that they might change their habitats over a certain period of time?
Another difference is the way of thinking between creationists and those who believe in natural selection. Religious people i.e. Catholics, Muslims are very closed-minded people. On the otherhand, the way Dawkins and Krauss dealt with one person by clearly stating that they are welcome to be challenged by any of their students and given a better solution. If it is a better solution, then scientists will test it and see if it rings true, what you might call the next step in the learning process of how earth came about. It is only a matter of time before Scientists will get the break they need and religion will die off.
These are some of the many points that led me to become an evolutionist. Proving evolution won't cause religion to die off.