Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 28, 2024, 9:57 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Free Will, Decision making and religion
#11
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion
I'm going to call free will a sensation of imagined control of future events based on an incompletely calculated prediction of how current conditions will determine them.

Our big forebrains were honed and sculpted by eons of natural selection to model the current status of ourselves and our environment. Those brains better able to predict the future from perceived regularities in these current, constantly updated, models and those better suited to guiding near future actions based on those models survived and, more importantly, replicated better. The sense of self and the illusion of free agency able to affect future events has been positively selected for and highly preserved. Self preservation is easier to accomplish if one recognizes there is a self to preserve. Intentional actions are only possible if there is a self with motivation to intend. Free will is the subjective experience of this motivation.

Justice takes place in a substantially more complex milieu. It involves not only a self, but the entire community of persons interacting in a society. It isn't possible to have a system of ethics with only one individual isolated from its environment. If we were able to perfectly predict the emergent patterns stemming from the unimaginably complicated interactions building from a statistically significant number of QM events we would be able to answer the question of whether will is free or determined (subject to whether QM is actually random or only appears so.) The existence of that question depends entirely on our capacity to measure and model. Unfortunately, that capacity is not very great.

Alex, I'll take compatibilism and consequentialist justice for $2000.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 5:36 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 14, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by RobertE - March 14, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 7:25 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 14, 2015 at 7:31 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Aoi Magi - March 14, 2015 at 8:01 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Mudhammam - March 14, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 15, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 16, 2015 at 9:55 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 7:44 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 15, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by h4ym4n - March 16, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by vorlon13 - March 16, 2015 at 12:08 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 16, 2015 at 9:59 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 265 25359 December 6, 2023 at 12:21 am
Last Post: Harry Haller
  Satan and Making Mock zwanzig 24 3356 May 21, 2021 at 7:58 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  If there are no gods, doesn't making one's self a god make one a theist? Silver 13 4183 May 26, 2017 at 5:28 pm
Last Post: TheoneandonlytrueGod
  Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? AceBoogie 252 38049 January 9, 2017 at 8:32 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  Religion hurts homosexuality but homosexuality kills religion? RozKek 43 12321 March 30, 2016 at 2:46 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Terrorism has no religion but religion brings terrorism. Islam is NOT peaceful. bussta33 13 5552 January 16, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Religion's affect outside of religion Heat 67 21563 September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  Blind boy thanks he favourite deity for making him blind ReptilianPeon 12 3738 August 28, 2015 at 7:43 am
Last Post: Longhorn
  Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God Nope 126 33523 January 26, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
Rainbow Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion" CristW 288 59479 November 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Last Post: DramaQueen



Users browsing this thread: 7 Guest(s)