Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 28, 2024, 11:32 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Free Will, Decision making and religion
#35
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion
(March 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Smaug Wrote: To sum it up, I'd say that the whole problem of Free Will stems from the fact that this notion is one of the most basic philosophical categories. Which means that it's either too underdefined, or outright undefinable or the definitions are too far from what an average human intuitively want. At least it is so at the current state of philosophy.

To add to what Parkers Tan said, if we consider more fundamentalistic interpretations of abrahamic religions, than any Free Will definition will do. Since if the threats of Hell were real any "normal" decision-making criterion works as if there were no Free Will at all.

I fully agree and would like to add that the closer I get to philosophical thought, the less certain of anything and the more confused I get.
My general principles lead me to think it is a conspiracy to extract money, but I'm not totally certain as to how.

At very least I will reject tithing, even in the face of threats of hell because that would not be acceptable behavior be it free or no.

(March 14, 2015 at 5:36 pm)rasetsu Wrote: The self is just an invisible database of values about our current and recent past. If I ask you if you are a patient person, or strong, or intelligent, you intuitively know an answer to these questions. That's transparently drawing upon that database of values. And these things might change over time, as in, "I was very impatient when I was younger, but I am not anymore."

So, if there is a time independent database of traits constituting the self, doesn't the existence of the database refute the claim that there are no unchanging aspects to the self? Not the entries in the database, but the fact that the database exists.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 5:36 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 14, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by RobertE - March 14, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 14, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by FreeTony - March 14, 2015 at 7:25 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 14, 2015 at 7:31 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Aoi Magi - March 14, 2015 at 8:01 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Mudhammam - March 14, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 15, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Ignorant - March 16, 2015 at 9:55 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by JuliaL - March 14, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Angrboda - March 14, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by Smaug - March 14, 2015 at 7:44 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 15, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by h4ym4n - March 16, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by vorlon13 - March 16, 2015 at 12:08 am
RE: Free Will, Decision making and religion - by robvalue - March 16, 2015 at 9:59 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 265 25360 December 6, 2023 at 12:21 am
Last Post: Harry Haller
  Satan and Making Mock zwanzig 24 3357 May 21, 2021 at 7:58 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  If there are no gods, doesn't making one's self a god make one a theist? Silver 13 4183 May 26, 2017 at 5:28 pm
Last Post: TheoneandonlytrueGod
  Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? AceBoogie 252 38056 January 9, 2017 at 8:32 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  Religion hurts homosexuality but homosexuality kills religion? RozKek 43 12321 March 30, 2016 at 2:46 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Terrorism has no religion but religion brings terrorism. Islam is NOT peaceful. bussta33 13 5552 January 16, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Religion's affect outside of religion Heat 67 21564 September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  Blind boy thanks he favourite deity for making him blind ReptilianPeon 12 3738 August 28, 2015 at 7:43 am
Last Post: Longhorn
  Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God Nope 126 33530 January 26, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
Rainbow Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion" CristW 288 59483 November 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Last Post: DramaQueen



Users browsing this thread: 8 Guest(s)