How Muslims believed earth was spherical long before anybody mentions it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Rhythm

Oh well, them works didn't involve that earth was a sphere, didn't they ?

Some did, some didn't. Different cultures had different models (and competing models existing within these cultures). Erathostenos had, as is most likely already mentioned, managed to measure the circumference of the earth by 200bc. Amusing story to that, when you really consider it, the manner in which he did this (or, to his mind did this) leaves no room for doubt that the earth is spherical (course, no one would have a ready means to determine whether he was right or not for a long time - and he may not have realized it himself...who can say all these years later, eh?). So, while the jury in the ancient world was out as to whether earth was this or that (and it's hard to blame them, they had limited means) - measurements were being made with the assumptions. Again, co-option and incorporation are to be expected. It would happen whether it was a desired outcome or not, but also, knowledge is beneficial to society - and it's been the business of empires to promote that sort of thing, particularly when they can use it to further their own interests. These two things, imo, account for both driving motives and over-riding circumstances. They had use, it was available, someone needed to steward the works, it furthered the interests of the state, it furthered the interests of people within the state - and there were more of "those people" with "that knowledge" than there were of the expansionary caste. So here we are, or, rather...there we were. I don;t think that there are any examples of a civilization such as that -not- having done the same. Hell, Rome was brilliant at this - they pretty much took everything, down to the paintings on the walls...and worked it in.

or maybe, your small story Rhythm, was the same story that conquistadors told to their children as a justification for the massacres & barbaric extermination they committed against Muslim citizens there.

Conquistadors? I think you're getting your genocides mixed up. I wouldn;t know what stories were told to the children of conquistadors...you'll have to ask them. We're not talking about "my story" -which is much smaller and further along in time..in any case - we're talking about the story of the formation of islam and the early islamic state - and also it's subsequent interactions with other states, I didn't choose the path that history took.

So.........?

"Thieves, who stole the science of Europe from greek, then come here with their fancy perfumes to show our medieval asses that earth is a sphere ! burn them alive !!! along with their Quran! "

Successful conquerors who incorporated the useful bits of the cultures they assimilated. I suppose you could call it theft if you like, hrugs:

Seems, to me, like muslims are taking care of burning other muslims at the stake, at present. The quran didn't really need any more help than the bible has in that regard. Both are less and less relevant for their followers as time passes. The books burn themselves.

Then, any European who agrees with Muslims, would also end -like them- on an impale, to burn alive until death. But still it doesn't answer my topic.

If there's some issue you have, with europeans.....you probably ought to take that up with a european...any of which would be happy to explain to you, that I'm not one of them, lol. Terrible things have befallen muslim communities and states. Terrible things have befallen all communities and states. I don't know that I could really determine which of the various methods of execution and torture that have been traditionally used by human communities and states is the worst - I wouldn't wager as to who had it worst, or that this could even be quantified. Most of all....I see absolutely no relevance to our discussion. Enlighten me?

I'm not really sure, after having read your remarks....what you took issue with in my response....other than "Europeans!". Maybe I missed it? Medeival europeans did shitty things to muslims, is that it? Agreed, it was their stock and trade, they did shitty things to each other and themselves, they did other things as well...this is all part of that same story - you aren't opening any eyes with this. So? What does that have to do with how and why we might find a claim of a spherical earth (hey...any measurements, by chance, like Eros all those centuries earlier..that would be a bonus)?

(if you wanna do some euro bashing I;m totally down..we can make a thread!)