RE: Christians : my problem with Christianity, some questions.
March 26, 2015 at 7:47 pm
(This post was last modified: March 26, 2015 at 7:55 pm by WinterHold.)
Professor
I disagree that our goodness would be rejected. What kind of god, rejects the goodness of his creations ? that's a claim, professor, is very insulting to god, since it shows error in his creation ; thus why create me if you know I'm useless ?
This Quranic verse might shed the light, on what I personally think a response :
( 56 ) And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
( 57 ) I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.
( 58 ) Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
My point of view is no, god created us knowing, that we would live only by worshiping him, eating & thanking him for the delicious taste, watching the cherry blossom then share a smile with the nature he created, by willingly providing your loved ones food & shelter, to some cases you might even get a pet, feeding it is also a worship to god ; we can do good, but it's all gotta take place, while believing he exists. Believing he is one, complete, doesn't play games with humans via wearing a human skin and waving to the crowds from a cross.
Above the 7 heavens, we would only catch a glimpse in judgement day ; weather we would see him or not.
If you excuse me, professor, I think the concept you provided is very insulting to the lord. I can't imagine myself worshiping a god wearing human skin & never accepts good deeds.
A Quranic verse :
( 25 ) And it is He who accepts repentance from his servants and pardons misdeeds, and He knows what you do.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
( 25 ) ( 104 ) Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
And the most important :
[color=#1E90FF][b]( 54 ) And when those come to you who believe in Our verses, say, "Peace be upon you. Your Lord has decreed upon Himself mercy: that any of you who does wrong out of ignorance and then repents after that and corrects himself - indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful."http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=6_54&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
God is perfectly just, that's why he must accept good, no matter how small it is. The condition though, is to believe in god himself, the one, the creator. I think christianity was forged right in this spot, to instead of copying what Jesus peace be upon him said literally, they opened a hole in the religion to make people live and sin as much as they can, then just because they believed in the lord they would be saved. Which negates a just god.
A just god, would judge from deeds and acts. With accurate scales, with infinite knowledge :
( 4 ) It is the Day when people will be like moths, dispersed,
( 5 ) And the mountains will be like wool, fluffed up.
( 6 ) Then as for one whose scales are heavy [with good deeds],
( 7 ) He will be in a pleasant life.
( 8 ) But as for one whose scales are light,
( 9 ) His refuge will be an abyss.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
Very accurate scales :
( 47 ) And We place the scales of justice for the Day of Resurrection, so no soul will be treated unjustly at all. And if there is [even] the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it forth. And sufficient are We as accountant.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
I actually disagree with most of your comment, after reading it carefully now, but thank you and kudos for it's educational on Christian faith.
Dude this is a discussion not a conversion war. You are what you are & I'm what I'm you can't change that. The Quran says about this situation :
(( 99 ) And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
( 100 ) And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah, and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.
( 101 ) Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
But could you too, live to the verse ? I mean it's good stuff, actually it's called "democracy".
(March 23, 2015 at 1:46 pm)professor Wrote: In your above post, what was omitted is the Justice of God.
Islam focuses on the mercy of God but forgets that He is perfectly just, therefore what Islam presents is false.
I disagree that our goodness would be rejected. What kind of god, rejects the goodness of his creations ? that's a claim, professor, is very insulting to god, since it shows error in his creation ; thus why create me if you know I'm useless ?
This Quranic verse might shed the light, on what I personally think a response :
( 56 ) And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
( 57 ) I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.
( 58 ) Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
My point of view is no, god created us knowing, that we would live only by worshiping him, eating & thanking him for the delicious taste, watching the cherry blossom then share a smile with the nature he created, by willingly providing your loved ones food & shelter, to some cases you might even get a pet, feeding it is also a worship to god ; we can do good, but it's all gotta take place, while believing he exists. Believing he is one, complete, doesn't play games with humans via wearing a human skin and waving to the crowds from a cross.
Above the 7 heavens, we would only catch a glimpse in judgement day ; weather we would see him or not.
If you excuse me, professor, I think the concept you provided is very insulting to the lord. I can't imagine myself worshiping a god wearing human skin & never accepts good deeds.
A Quranic verse :
( 25 ) And it is He who accepts repentance from his servants and pardons misdeeds, and He knows what you do.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
( 25 ) ( 104 ) Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
And the most important :
[color=#1E90FF][b]( 54 ) And when those come to you who believe in Our verses, say, "Peace be upon you. Your Lord has decreed upon Himself mercy: that any of you who does wrong out of ignorance and then repents after that and corrects himself - indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful."http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=6_54&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
God is perfectly just, that's why he must accept good, no matter how small it is. The condition though, is to believe in god himself, the one, the creator. I think christianity was forged right in this spot, to instead of copying what Jesus peace be upon him said literally, they opened a hole in the religion to make people live and sin as much as they can, then just because they believed in the lord they would be saved. Which negates a just god.
A just god, would judge from deeds and acts. With accurate scales, with infinite knowledge :
( 4 ) It is the Day when people will be like moths, dispersed,
( 5 ) And the mountains will be like wool, fluffed up.
( 6 ) Then as for one whose scales are heavy [with good deeds],
( 7 ) He will be in a pleasant life.
( 8 ) But as for one whose scales are light,
( 9 ) His refuge will be an abyss.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
Very accurate scales :
( 47 ) And We place the scales of justice for the Day of Resurrection, so no soul will be treated unjustly at all. And if there is [even] the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it forth. And sufficient are We as accountant.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
I actually disagree with most of your comment, after reading it carefully now, but thank you and kudos for it's educational on Christian faith.
Quote:How interesting Atlas, that you quoted a bunch of your verses focused only on someone ELSE's evil.
While neglecting your own.
This is called "Self righteousness" and is a delusion. A lie.
A lie upon which ALL the religions of the world System (created by the devil) have as their foundation.
Satan is the father of lies.
It is high time to wake up from the stupor of drinking his lies.
A good prayer is:
God in Heaven- SHOW ME Your Truth......
Dude this is a discussion not a conversion war. You are what you are & I'm what I'm you can't change that. The Quran says about this situation :
(( 99 ) And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
( 100 ) And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah, and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.
( 101 ) Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
But could you too, live to the verse ? I mean it's good stuff, actually it's called "democracy".