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Helping Christians to lose faith?
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RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: Learned well I see in the concepts of Philosophy. It is not nonsense.
Philosophy is not nonsense.... but it can be so detached from reality that it gets to sound a lot like nonsense.

(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: Science then let your science explain the perfectly designed sequence of DNA every human has.

"perfectly"?? Seriously?
Tell that to everyone who has ever contracted non-environmental cancer.

(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: Let your Science explain how the Universe began.
Are you now going for a god of the gaps thing?

(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: Let your Science explain why we have witnessed many miracles.
"We" have?
I surely haven't... care to show me the documentation of some of those?

(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: If you have ever done the math the chances of there being life on this planet are 1 in a trillion of a trillionth. It would be virtually impossible. We should not even be here. Everything on this earth was perfectly designed for us. We were put on the right spot from the sun. We were giving a moon in the perfect distance to control the tides. Jupiter was made gigantic to protect us from asteroids and if Jupiter were smaller then this world would have been hammered from time to time. We were giving an atmosphere. We were giving intelligence and the ability to love not by chance, but because of God.
Kids these days.... gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. Tongue

We evolved on this planet which happens to be at a decent position within the solar system to harbor carbon-based life.
Carbon is only the 6th element in the periodic table... it was put in 6th place because it has 6 protons. Carbon is the lightest element that can form up to 4 bonds. It is one of the most versatile elements there are. Add one proton, and you get Nitrogen - the most abundant element in our atmosphere. Add another and you get the second most abundant element in the atmosphere: Oxygen.
It strikes me as very banal that we are carbon-based life forms... all life on Earth is carbon-based.
It would truly be astonishing if we were silcon-based, or sellenium-based.

The odds you allude to are unaccountable... besides, we like to use probabilities when we fail to get all the details that bring about a certain outcome... when you bring forth such an argument, you are admitting that we don't know a lot of things... back to the god of the gaps thing, huh?

The moon... the moon is receding away from Earth.... In the age of dinosaurs it was a bit closer, tides must have been more prominent then... it was still a perfect distance, huh?

Jupiter as a deflector of meteors... now there's something new! Particularly since most meteors come from the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.... and considering the enormous distances involved when we consider the orbit of Jupiter... no, Jupiter would deflect a few, not many, not most.

Venus was also "given" an atmosphere... the last time I heard, a probe landed there and only managed to survive for 2 hours, before the corrosive atmosphere destroyed it (or, at least, the data transmitting part). A probe, a machine.. imagine a carbon-based life form under there!!

Jupiter and all the gas planets are... well... the whole planets are atmosphere, it's all gas.
You see, when you learn about the several layers of a planet, at school, you learn mostly about Earth - you get the core, the mantle, the crust, the atmosphere. Some planets don't have all those layers, but have some of them.
Bottom line, atmospheres are common place. Like carbon.

(April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm)xmark27 Wrote: If like you say let Science prove our existence then I guarantee you that in the end your answer will be we shouldn't even exist. Nothing ever happens by chance. There is always a reason for everything. The reason behind our existence is God.

Yep, there's always some underlying cause.... except for the Universe itself... but that's a whole other bag of chips.
And, for the most part, it's gravity, electromagnetism, electro-weak forces, strong nuclear forces.... and the fields that accompany these. That the interactions that arise from these few principles can become very complex and we can't track them all only says something about our inability to account for them... If we can't account for them, then our only tool becomes statistics... and those can give you the wrong idea: http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics...0393310728.


So, do you have any intel on this god that common humans don't?
How have you come across it?
Why should I believe you, when you claim anything about any god?
What makes you an expert on this god thing?
A bit of introspection for yourself: how did you come to know about the concept of "god"? Could have acquired it if you had no human interaction?
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Helping Christians to lose faith? - by watchamadoodle - April 1, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Spooky - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Minimalist - April 1, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 3:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 10:39 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Jackalope - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 2, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:32 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 2, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Brian37 - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by ThomM - April 4, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 4, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 4, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 4, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 5, 2015 at 5:24 am

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