(April 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Nestor Wrote: Let's also not forget that secular values were by and large borne out of Christian values.
You just lost 10 credibility points for repeating one of the sleaziest claims of Christian apologists.
Seriously, pure sleaze that frankly you should apologize for. It's an offensive claim.
First of all, "secular values" by definition don't come from religion. You ought to at least come out and claim that we use Christian morals or live in a Christian society. That too would be offensive but at least you'd get some points for honesty.
Second, from Copernicus to Darwin, science has only advanced after overcoming resistance from Christianity. Christianity has always been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age. Now before you say, "that was the Catholics", the Protestants proved themselves just as bad when they had the opportunity.
As for social issues, from slavery to women's rights to gay rights, Christianity has always aided and abetted the oppressor and stood in the way of social progress. Even on the slavery issue where abolitionists were self-labeled Christians, it was the slave owner who was supported by scripture.
My own video on this topic:
That Christianity has been dragged kicking and screaming on every issue I can think of, from social to science, into the modern age and then has the gall to try to claim responsibility for our advances from the Dark Ages they inflicted upon us is not just wrong. It's obscene.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist