Let's Give The Muslims A Day Off

[Mudhammam]

Let's also not forget that secular values were by and large borne out of Christian values.

Perhaps by Western standards, but much of what you can find of value in the bible can be found in Eastern writings pre-dating it.  On top of that, I bet you'd be hard pressed to find anything moral in the bible that the Greeks hadn't hashed out already.  

I think you'd find a lot more similarity between pagan morality and something like the ethics advocated by Nietzsche than you would between them and Christianity.

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Let's also not forget that secular values were by and large borne out of Christian values.

You just lost 10 credibility points for repeating one of the sleaziest claims of Christian apologists.  

Seriously, pure sleaze that frankly you should apologize for. It's an offensive claim. 

First of all, "secular values" by definition don't come from religion. You ought to at least come out and claim that we use Christian morals or live in a Christian society. That too would be offensive but at least you'd get some points for honesty.

Second, from Copernicus to Darwin, science has only advanced after overcoming resistance from Christianity. Christianity has always been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age. Now before you say, "that was the Catholics", the Protestants proved themselves just as bad when they had the opportunity. 

As for social issues, from slavery to women's rights to gay rights, Christianity has always aided and abetted the oppressor and stood in the way of social progress. Even on the slavery issue where abolitionists were self-labeled Christians, it was the slave owner who was supported by scripture. 

My own video on this topic:





That Christianity has been dragged kicking and screaming on every issue I can think of, from social to science, into the modern age and then has the gall to try to claim responsibility for our advances from the Dark Ages they inflicted upon us is not just wrong. It's obscene. 

Many of the founders of the scientific method, and some of the most important discoverers in history, were Christians. That Christian states persecuted anyone they deemed heretical, or supported bigotry, is a problem that goes deeper than religion. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit how much credibility I have in your eyes. That you can't differentiate between Christian apologists and the fact that many influential thinkers were deeply religious or operated within cultures that were predominately Christian, is your problem, not mine.