The argument against God

[Eilonnwy]

I think you are wrong in this one. Before the romantic movement mountians were things to be avoided. The poet changed this perception so that people concidered them beutiful. And so reality was changed. The mountians transform into majestic areas through our changed perception so, reality is altered by our perception. The mountians have not changed but, to all intents and purposes, they may as well have

If you're going to make a broad statement like that, back it up with proof or a real example, because honestly I think you're pulling this out of your ass. I've never heard anything so silly. Exploration of this world has always been pushed forward by greed or curiousity. America was discovered (and I use the term discovered loosely) by greed to find the best route to the east and also for Columbus to prove his theory, not because poets said the ocean is pretty.

Yes science has given us great things, but that does not demean the other art forms in any way. Without poetry and painting, how are we to appriciate the beuty of the discoveries science has made? Are the Northern Lights to remain gases reacting in the atmosphere? Science and art spring from the same source, one is useless without the other.

You completely missed my point. I love art and poetry. I am in fact an artist. I love to read fantasy books and just because someone writes a poem about unicorns doesn't make it real. Religion doesn't have some monopoly over art. Imagination comes in all shapes and sizes. The difference is a reality based view on life actually know what's imagination and what is real.

Furthermore, reality based beliefs doesn't mean we appreciate art any less or the wonders of the world. I love looking at the stars and the sky. I love sunsets and mountain sceneries. Just because I know a star is a ball of nuclear fusion doesn't make them any less wonderful. In fact I think they make them more wonderful and fascinating. Knowing how the colours form in the Northern Lights is just as amazing to me as the event itself.

Get your head out of this notion that having a reality/science based belief system means your have no imagination or appreciate for art, that science is cold and boring, because if you actually know anything about it science is amazing and beautiful. And when it comes to finding out what is actually true about this world, it's science that accomplishes it. ALWAYS.

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The route is spiritual furfillment and peace of mind. Atheists can get there too, of course, I just think it is a longer route. Where the route leads? Who knows, thats half the fun of the journey.

You mean religion provides dogma and half truths, unsupported assertions about how the world came to be. Comforting lies about the reality of death, promotion of bigotry and violence. Sure, that's peace of mind.

Obviusly, when I talk of furfillment, I talk of the religions which are true to there core function. Once the mind of humanity is clouded by the cloak of ignorance, the wolves decend.

A religion's core function is to subjugate and promote false beliefs. Those who believe in the dogma's of religion are the most ignorant because they accept the dogmas that they have to worship to go to heaven, supress their sexuality, always be mindful of their thoughts, give their hard earned money to the clergy, ignore science and it's advancements, the list goes on.