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Mind over matter?
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Mind over matter?
If the theistic god is conceived as the uncaused firstcause that is also an incorporeal mind, a conciousness outside of time and space then it cannot and does not exist. As a conciousness it would have existed without there being any time, space, matter or energy. Therefore at one point god could only be concious of it's own conciousness. This is impossibly incoherent as there is nothing external to this mind it cannot be confident of it's own existence. Taking humankind as an example, we are only aware of ourselves with reference to things or others around us. To assert otherwise is like saying conciousness is concious of conciousness is concious of conciousness...ad infinitum
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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Mind over matter? - by Captain Scarlet - September 7, 2010 at 4:49 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by theVOID - September 7, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Captain Scarlet - September 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by DeistPaladin - September 9, 2010 at 8:17 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by Watson - September 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by padraic - September 9, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by padraic - September 9, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by DeistPaladin - September 10, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Pippy - September 9, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by theVOID - September 13, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Minimalist - September 13, 2010 at 5:46 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Rwandrall - September 10, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by The Omnissiunt One - September 10, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by Pippy - September 11, 2010 at 2:04 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by padraic - September 12, 2010 at 5:07 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by Pippy - September 12, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by theVOID - September 13, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Pippy - September 14, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: Mind over matter? - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by Pippy - September 15, 2010 at 10:24 pm
RE: Mind over matter? - by theVOID - September 16, 2010 at 12:40 am

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