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Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
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RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
(April 24, 2015 at 11:24 pm)Nope Wrote: My guess is that she isn't talking about praying for something concrete. Instead she believes that god tells her things through her emotions.

She makes an arbitrary distinction between "emotional impulses" and "spiritual promptings."  Here is are two quotes from her elucidating this "distinction:

Theist Penpal, from email 1 Wrote:We are also warned to be careful about the spiritual experiences that we receive. Our emotions are closely linked to our spirits and if not careful and discerning, we can mistake an emotional impulse for a spiritual prompting.

Here is the portion of the quote directly prior to the "five options" I quoted in the OP:

Theist Penpal, from email 2 Wrote:A note: I inadvertently grouped confirmation and prompting together and just called it promptings. Promptings are easier to discern. A sudden thought, usually encouraging some type of action, is easy to test: act on it and examine the results. Promptings involving the imparting of knowledge is more difficult and may require extra study and/or patience.

Confirmations can be trickier because emotions are usually more involved. There are five possible scenarios:

Nope Wrote:That seems like a situation that would cause someone a lot of stress. Please ask her for specific examples

I'm gonna have to.

(April 25, 2015 at 3:16 am)robvalue Wrote: Clueless: it seems your friend is well aware that God either can't or won't do anything that can't happen anyway. In other words, stuff is happening, and she is randomly labelling some of that stuff as "gods work" and retrofitting it to her prayers.

Maybe ask her to stop praying to God for a week, and instead start praying to a door knob. She can do exactly the prayers she would have done to God, ie. stuff that can happen anyway. Then she can see which prayers get "answered", thus proving the magical powers of the door knob.

[my bolding]

While I agree with the idea of telling her to pray to a door knob or garden gnome or hair brush, her answer for why this wouldn't work would be that her prayers are still being answered by her god because he "knows" she's not "really" praying to the hair brush or door knob.  She in deep, this one.  Real deep.

I kind of wish she were active in the threads here; she'd learn some shit.  (She made an account for PMing purposes, but the conversation has since left the forums and moved to email)

(April 25, 2015 at 2:37 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I used to occasionally get in a mood where I thought my god was trying to tell me something, but I was unclear as to exactly what it was.  Same sort of thing.  I would thrash, trying to figure out what my god wanted.  Those episodes are one of the reasons I gave up believing.  It just seemed like the story of Skinner's superstitious pigeons.

http://io9.com/5746904/how-pigeons-get-t...erstitious

I was going to send her QualiaSoup's Superstition video which uses this exact example.  Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWo3kTYb8W0
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation? - by Clueless Morgan - April 25, 2015 at 2:52 pm

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