Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility

[Napoléon]

Scanning through this, Nap, I feel like you're trying to make a false dichotomy.

Right.

The proposition in the OP, to 'take responsibility' isn't the ultimate solution to the problems that black people as a community face.

Think that's all I need to say to that ridiculous accusation.

Not every racist situation is going to be the same. Not every minority is going to be suffering from the same problems, and not every white person is going to be acting out of the same motives. Saying "is it an excuse or not?" Why can't it be both? There are so many nuances and factors going into racism and the plight of minorities, you can't begin to untangle why situations like that happen.

I don't see how anything I've said previously disputes anything you're saying.

Studies have been done about how having ethnic names on applications makes those people less likely to get call backs on jobs. Doesn't matter what the rest of the application says. Send the same application in with a "white" name and those applications get lots more call backs. How far does personal responsibility go there?

Again, I never disputed that black/poor people have a harder time getting jobs. In fact I've consistently said exactly that throughout the thread. What is with this notion that I'm somehow ignorant of these facts when I've backed them up time and time again throughout the thread?

This seems to be missing the point. The point the guy in the OP was making.

I'll repeat again, because you seem to have missed it

"The point is not that the stereotypes or discrimination are justified. But that to the people who already hold these views against various minorities, the looting and rioting only serve to deepen their conviction. The whole "unarmed black man" storyline gets lost when people are assaulting firemen and cutting firehose lines."

In other words, it's not that discrimination is justified, even extending that discrimination to how black people find it harder to get jobs. I get it, it's absolutely wrong that we live in a world like this. 100% agree, why do people keep going on like I'm disputing it?

The point however is that joining gangs, committing violence, slinging dope on street corners etc. all those things that are stereotypes of black communities, to the people who have those stereotypes in their head in the first place whenever another young black guy gets into the bad stuff, it just solidifies the prejudices that already exist.

Now ofcourse not everyone is going to just be able to go "oh, personal responsibility, I shouldn't do that", ofcourse it's a lot more complicated.

But we're talking about community attitudes as a whole here. Specifically, attitudes in the 'black community'. And I honestly don't see enough people in the black community taking responsibility. Speaking out like the guys in the two vids I posted.

Maybe I don't have the best perception. I live thousands of miles away in the UK let's not forget, but I'm going off of what I repeatedly see in the media, what I repeatedly see when Americans talk about 'black communities'. I keep banging on about it but Ross Kemp in Memphis just sums up precisely some of the issues in black communities, and it's less about racism than community attitudes being so poor. Ofcourse that isn't to say there isn't racism! Or that there aren't problems people should be outraged by. But committing more violence, gang culture, drugs, things that people in these communities seem at the least apathetic about, surely that's not helping anyone right?

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Another video of a black dude who's got it spot fucking on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmpkLI-z...e=youtu.be