RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 28, 2015 at 2:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2015 at 2:59 pm by Napoléon.)
(April 28, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Dystopia Wrote: So you started a topic with a title that says blacks should stop complaining about racism
No.
Just no.
Is that what the thread title says?
No.
It says "Stop blaming racism". In other words, using it as an excuse. That doesn't mean racism isn't an issue. It doesn't mean people shouldn't complain. It just means it isn't an excuse for doing bad things. Guy in the OP said as much. But you thought it was a waste of time. Surprising, you wouldn't just watch a 5 minute video but are intent on wasting so much time talking about stuff irrelevant to the point.
I really don't know how much clearer you want me to make it.
Quote:yet you acknowledged that racism and institutional racism/discrimination still exists and it is either a cause of drawbacks/difficulties or was in the past and the secondary effects are still felt today... And you are saying that blacks should handle racism and not protest against it?
No! That's not what I've said. Please quote where you think I've said this. Because I just plain haven't.
Quite honestly I don't know what else I can say to be much clearer. I've said in multiple posts what my point is. I've already brought up at least twice, a quote that sums up my position, in relation to a specific scenario (Baltimore). If you don't get it by now you may as well not respond. Because if I get one more response mentioning that I'm telling black people not to complain, or that I don't think racism is the cause of issues, then you're flat out misinterpreting any point I've made in this thread.
I'll quote it again, one last time, because people still seem to be having such difficulty with it:
"The point is not that the stereotypes or discrimination are justified. But that to the people who already hold these views against various minorities, the looting and rioting only serve to deepen their conviction. The whole "unarmed black man" storyline gets lost when people are assaulting firemen and cutting firehose lines."
Quote:How does this work? If someone shot you in the foot would you run 10Km or would you ask for medical support before doing it?
For someone who rants on about the complexity of the issue it's rather surprising you'd use such a stupid analogy as this as though it is in any way similar or relevant to what we're (or should I say I'm) talking about.
Quote:Oh shit, you invented things I didn't even say and now I'm the one misinterpreting it? Suit yourself, I won't take it personally
Ha! Don't flatter yourself.
Inventing things people didn't say?
Let's see (just because I'm a dick and I will go that far to defend myself):
Post 49 - You accuse me of "saying that blacks should handle racism and not protest against it"
Nope. Didn't say that.
Post 42 - Pizza accuses me of insinuating racism is over. "This doesn't mean racism is over."
Nope. Didn't say that either. The OP of this thread flies in the face of such a snarky comment as the guy says the precise opposite.
Post 42 - Pizza insinuates that I have said ghettos and conditions in American weren't caused in some part by slavery. "Where do you think the ghettos in America came from? The sky?"
Yet again, didn't say anything of the sort. But Pizza is intent on making out like I'm some numpty who doesn't acknowledge slavery fucked shit up. Fuck me, right?
Posts 39 and 37 - SummerQueen accuses me of making a false dichotomy, later you echo the same sentiment (I wonder why).
Addressed in post 38, amongst others. Still not seeing any evidence of a false dichotomy.
Post 39 - You reckon I said black people are responsible for the actions of other black people?
Yet again, no, that's not what I said. I said the actions of some black people will reflect on other black people. Does the difference need to be spelled out to you? Oh wait, pretty sure I've already done that. Guess you missed it. I also elaborated on what I meant by attitudes. Something that black people on the whole are responsible for.
Post 25 - I get accused directly by Pizza of assuming all black people to be violent criminals.
Do I even need to address this one? I'm embarrassed someone would even go there.
This one particularly pissed me off. Why? Because you're basically calling me a fucking racist. I find it disgusting frankly how quick people are to make such an accusation.
Then there's all the shit that's just flat out off topic IMO, like crime statistics, or the way slavery went down. Shit that, in regards to what's been mentioned in the OP, and by myself throughout, is besides the point.
So do you want me to go on here? Go back to each post and interpret it as you see fit. Only reason I am being such a dick and bringing each post up (I could bring up more), is because you seem to think I'm the one who's misinterpreted your position. It's the precise opposite man, and it's become way too annoying to be accused of saying bullshit in this thread when I categorically haven't. People can read the above and make up their own minds on that I suppose.
(April 28, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Dystopia, you're doing it again, you're misinterpreting what he is saying to a ridiculous degree. The title, says to stop blaming racism, not to stop complaining about it. You've done this to me in the past too, you've misreprested my position so many times that I did what Napoleon did and just stopped trying to engage in a discussion with you.
Haha, I'm glad I'm not just imagining it.
