I'm obviously late to this party so I'll try to be succinct in catching up:
Nap: I think the video you posted in Post #38 would have been a better lead-in to the conversation. That young man's words could easily be applied to anyone, regardless of the motivation for making the video. You've also been quite undeserving of the blatant misrepresentation of your position.
Dystopia: You are the prime offender regarding misrepresentation. I'm not quite certain that it's intentional since your ideas seem scattered, inconsistent, and very reactive without much depth. I'll assume that you simply have a reflexive desire not to offend resulting in your inability to rationally discuss the topic of race. If what I've read is a thought out representation of your true opinion then just imagine me staring you in the eyes while repeatedly jamming my forefinger and middle finger into my forehead (I think I can safely assume you know the meaning of this).
I'm somewhat glad that I couldn't engage in this thread immediately; allowing me to digest everything to date. The sad part is that there's no real engagement. The white dude that brings up race, particularly in a manner that challenges the narrative that society at large is wholly and fully responsible for the plight of the entire black community, is immediately vilified. As always, the vilification isn't brought on by someone from the black community, but by well meaning whites that translate their superficial understanding and deep seated misplaced empathy in a world that suggests it's better not to talk about it because it's uncomfortable. Those that knowingly or unknowingly shut down conversation by misrepresenting what's being argued by taking an extreme interpretive position proves my point. It's also the broader point made by the man in the video in post 38; nothing gets resolved.
There is no justification of rioting if the goal is to change people's minds. It's as futile as a toddler throwing a temper tantrum in an attempt to influence a parent's behavior. The reaction to the attention that is sought is not likely to be favorable. We have a laugh at toddlers because we don't expect much from their reasoning capability. We react differently to rioters, not because we don't empathize with the supposed reason behind the behavior, but because the consequences don't achieve the goals and we have an expectation that humans of a certain age should have the capability to sort this through. If you can't get your point across and effect change through non-violent means then you better be prepared for the long game; namely, the defeat and wholesale subjugation of your adversary. Another reason why riots are more like temper tantrums than rebellions.
I will leave my commentary here for now. I have much more to share regarding the economic aspect of this conversation, particularly sharing personal experiences regarding the ability and opportunity to escape poor conditions (btw, I hate the oversold idea of the American Dream). Non-government coerced segregation is also alive and well, but my observations suggest that this is also economic and not primarily race based.
Later.
Nap: I think the video you posted in Post #38 would have been a better lead-in to the conversation. That young man's words could easily be applied to anyone, regardless of the motivation for making the video. You've also been quite undeserving of the blatant misrepresentation of your position.
Dystopia: You are the prime offender regarding misrepresentation. I'm not quite certain that it's intentional since your ideas seem scattered, inconsistent, and very reactive without much depth. I'll assume that you simply have a reflexive desire not to offend resulting in your inability to rationally discuss the topic of race. If what I've read is a thought out representation of your true opinion then just imagine me staring you in the eyes while repeatedly jamming my forefinger and middle finger into my forehead (I think I can safely assume you know the meaning of this).
I'm somewhat glad that I couldn't engage in this thread immediately; allowing me to digest everything to date. The sad part is that there's no real engagement. The white dude that brings up race, particularly in a manner that challenges the narrative that society at large is wholly and fully responsible for the plight of the entire black community, is immediately vilified. As always, the vilification isn't brought on by someone from the black community, but by well meaning whites that translate their superficial understanding and deep seated misplaced empathy in a world that suggests it's better not to talk about it because it's uncomfortable. Those that knowingly or unknowingly shut down conversation by misrepresenting what's being argued by taking an extreme interpretive position proves my point. It's also the broader point made by the man in the video in post 38; nothing gets resolved.
There is no justification of rioting if the goal is to change people's minds. It's as futile as a toddler throwing a temper tantrum in an attempt to influence a parent's behavior. The reaction to the attention that is sought is not likely to be favorable. We have a laugh at toddlers because we don't expect much from their reasoning capability. We react differently to rioters, not because we don't empathize with the supposed reason behind the behavior, but because the consequences don't achieve the goals and we have an expectation that humans of a certain age should have the capability to sort this through. If you can't get your point across and effect change through non-violent means then you better be prepared for the long game; namely, the defeat and wholesale subjugation of your adversary. Another reason why riots are more like temper tantrums than rebellions.
I will leave my commentary here for now. I have much more to share regarding the economic aspect of this conversation, particularly sharing personal experiences regarding the ability and opportunity to escape poor conditions (btw, I hate the oversold idea of the American Dream). Non-government coerced segregation is also alive and well, but my observations suggest that this is also economic and not primarily race based.
Later.
