Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility

[Brian37]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. I can tell you personally I do end up hating individuals who take it personally. Now if you really think Minimalist is wrong, instead of focusing on the word choices, make your own arguments. But don't think even outside this particular board you can paint someone into a corner to get them to conform to you.

You're talking shit Brian.

The only person I can see disputing anything Min's said is A theist, and he's making his own arguments just fine.

For the most part, I think everyone agrees. We know that issues are bigger than, in your words, "Just do it". That's not the fucking point.


I'll respond to what you said to me, just to highlight it:

Nobody is arguing to act out in destructive ways. STILL not an excuse for the entire country to ignore decade after decade the CONDITIONS that lead to these events.

Nobody disputes this.

It is really no different than understanding it was stupid for the Allies after WW1 to leave Germany to rot.

Nobody disputes this.

No one is making excuses here.

A couple people have.

We also know what causes hurricanes too, and by knowing that we can work to get out of the way and build better building codes to insure minimal damage.

Nobody disputes this.

Blacks don't want the crime. Blacks don't like the poverty or lack of opportunity.

Nobody disputes this.

"Just do it" is a bullshit attitude and this isn't just about blacks to a growing degree now, the pay gap is growing to hurt everyone even more. Without investment in good pay and investment in society, poverty hurts everyone.

It's really grating on my tits how people continually miss the point. You clearly haven't read the entire thread.

For starters, what's been suggested, isn't your simplified "Just do it".

Nobody suggested that the answer to all the problems in the world was to "Just do it". So get that out your damn head.

But if you honestly think, there is not an existing issue with attitudes in black communities, attitudes like "fuck the police", "don't snitch" etc. then (and this is me being blunt brian, read the point not the way I phrase it), you're a fucking imbecile with his head in the sand.

For all your talk about making arguments, the only people to offer a single way are those who acknowledge that the black communities have issues they need to deal with themselves.

People like you, like Min, like Dystopia, you keep banging on about shit that no one really disputes. About shit that doesn't solve anything. You're highlighting all these reasons for the way it is, but I haven't seen a single one of you actually suggest a way that black communities can improve the situation. Or anyone else for that matter. I mean, ofcourse it's not just the black communty's responsibility, nobody said it was, but improving on some of the attitudes in black communities can only serve to aid the situation right? Are we really not on the same page with that?

I am sick of this crap that we ignore that the economy hurts blacks more than other groups. The reason we are still seeing crap that should have ended during the civil rights movement even today, is because we are allowing one class to divide middle class whites and poor whites against middle class blacks and poor blacks.

Umm, I'm baffled. Please highlight, a single post in this thread, that has disputed that the economy hurts black people.

LETS focus on the assholes causing the pay gap and end corporate welfare.

In what way? What do you suggest be done?

At least other people's suggestions are in some way tangible, and plausible.


As for the rest of what you're saying to Bad Wolf, Brian, I honestly don't get what the fuck you're getting at, really. Nobody is even arguing points with you guys but you seem intent on arguing for the sake of it.

Seems to me in this thread, there's a few people who want to talk about solutions and a few people who want to talk about reasons.

Now neither is necessarily a bad thing to talk about, but to all those peeps banging on about reasons for this and reasons for that, please understand, I don't think anyone in the thread disagrees. So, in the politest way, shut the fuck up. That's not the point of what we're talking about in this thread.

Like far to many, even outside this particular subject, humans get stuck in the moment when there are long term issues going on. You see the same music playing over and over and know it is a broken record skipping, you know there really is no argument outside maintaining the status quo.

There is no argument to be had. This i no different to me than big oil ignoring climate change. Others have besides me constantly stated that crime and rioting are not excuses because bad things happen. 

BUT AGAIN you cant simplify solutions with blame. You solve problems by understanding conditions. 

BULLSHIT, we are discussing reasons. THE REASON is that the rich and the right love dividing the races and the REAL issue has always been ECONOMICS.

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, no one, especially not blacks, are making excuses. Only idiots are ignoring that blacks are still hurt worse by the economy. FACE THAT things will get fixed. Even Martin Luther King Jr understood this. He knew, and I agree, an economy is only as good as the ability of the least in it to survive. He knew that the better minorities did the better everyone would do. 

This is not the only page I state this at and you are not the only person liberal whites and liberal blacks make this argument at. Look at the bigger history instead of getting focused on one thread.