Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility

[Napoléon]

Like far to many, even outside this particular subject, humans get stuck in the moment when there are long term issues going on. You see the same music playing over and over and know it is a broken record skipping, you know there really is no argument outside maintaining the status quo.

You still talking?

There is no argument to be had.

Then what are you continually arguing for?

BUT AGAIN you cant simplify solutions with blame.

What does the thread title say Brian? What does it fucking say?

You solve problems by understanding conditions.

You solve problems by coming up with solutions.
 

BULLSHIT, we are discussing reasons. THE REASON is that the rich and the right love dividing the races and the REAL issue has always been ECONOMICS.

Make your own thread then, because I'm not.

It's been stated, by myself several times, and others, that the problems stems from economics, and race is related to that.

Guess if you read the thread you'd had noticed that.

Just for reference, me and another member backing up what you're saying:

Post 21 - http://atheistforums.org/thread-33017-po...#pid929917

Post 32 - http://atheistforums.org/thread-33017-po...#pid930508

Post 33 - http://atheistforums.org/thread-33017-po...#pid930509

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, no one, especially not blacks, are making excuses.

Well I got the distinct impression earlier on in the thread that Dystopia was. People like Kitan coming through shouting "I'm glad they rioted" didn't exactly point to logic either.

Besides that, there are people in black communities who do use it as an excuse. Watch the clips of the documentaries I've posted throughout the thread. That's as much evidence of that as you should really need.

Only idiots are ignoring that blacks are still hurt worse by the economy.

Who's ignoring it Brian? Give an example of a post?

Like getting blood from a stone.

FACE THAT things will get fixed. Even Martin Luther King Jr understood this. He knew, and I agree, an economy is only as good as the ability of the least in it to survive. He knew that that the better minorities did the better everyone would do.

BRIAN!

You hit the nail on the head mate!

You've just summed up, everything this thread is about.

The better minorities do, the better everyone does.

And what is a good way for minorities to do better? We could get rid of corporate welfare, like you suggest, that might help shit, eventually. Or maybe we could look at the attitudes many black people perpetuate? The same attitudes that limit ambition? That seems like a good suggestion right?

Honestly Brian, I think we're on the same page, we're just focusing on different things.

Now you might be perfectly justified in everything you say, but most, if not all of the points you've made otherwise, aren't the point of the thread dude.

This is not the only page I state this at and you are not the only person liberal whites and liberal blacks make this argument at. Look at the bigger history instead of getting focused on one thread. 

So I'm a guy, suggesting one possible solution, or something that might make things better, and your attitude is to bash me over the head and constantly say "look at this mess, look at the reasons for this mess!".

But I'm saying:

"What if the people in the mess changed their attitudes a bit, that might help?"

You:
"You're ignoring everything else! Focus on the bigger history!"

Me:
"I'm not ignoring everything else, just highlighting one suggestion to make things better"

You
"You're ignoring everything else! Focus on the bigger history!"

Me:
"Uh, I'm not mate, I understand the history, we need to do more things too, but this is just one wa-"

"STOP IGNORING THE POINT, URHGHGH RUGHH GHRUGH".

Me:
"But this is my thread, I want to make my point"

You:
"My thread now hurr durr"

Basically a summary of this thread thus far.